Circuit Directory/Identification

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Is it a NEC requirement to Identify "spare circuit breakers" in a panel directory. The code
identifies in article 110.22/408.4 that each disconnecting means shall be legibly marked to indicate its purpose....... Is a spare that is connected to nothing a disconnecting means if its for nothing?
Does the directory need to say spare? Can this create future problems if the directory is updated and not legible?
 
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I usually leave it blank on the panel schedules I type up, so that there's room to hand write in added circuits. Once, though, the electricial engineer told me to retype it to tell which circuits were spares. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by Jim W:
Is it a NEC requirement to Identify "spare circuit breakers" in a panel directory. The code
identifies in article 110.22/408.4 that each disconnecting means shall be legibly marked to indicate its purpose....... Is a spare that is connected to nothing a disconnecting means if its for nothing?
Does the directory need to say spare? Can this create future problems if the directory is updated and not legible?
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You answered your own question.

Is a spare that is connected to nothing a disconnecting means if its for nothing?

no

Can this create future problems if the directory is updated and not legible?

yes
:)

[ October 21, 2005, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
 
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Given the revised requirements of 408.4 in the 2005 version, do you have to label each spare in such a way as to distinguish it from all other spares? :D
 
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Nowhere that I know of. But a spare (unlike a blank space) does contain an overcurrent protection device. It happens not to be protecting anything at the moment. That is what makes this an interesting topic.
 
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I spoke with a city inspector in a near by community, who said he had a real problem. In a building which is occupied by Spanish speaking people, does a panel label in Spanish meet the code? Or, would requiring the inspector to be able to read it make it unusable to the occupants. I suggested bi-lingual, but what exactly is "CODE"?
 
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Originally posted by problemsolver600:
In a building which is occupied by Spanish speaking people, does a panel label in Spanish meet the code? Or, would requiring the inspector to be able to read it make it unusable to the occupants. I suggested bi-lingual, but what exactly is "CODE"?
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You had to go and bring politics into it, didn't you? :D

Label the panel in English and if they can't read it, too bad for them. They can get a English-Spanish dictionary and figure it out.

[ October 21, 2005, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: peter d ]
 
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Originally posted by problemsolver600:
I spoke with a city inspector in a near by community, who said he had a real problem. In a building which is occupied by Spanish speaking people, does a panel label in Spanish meet the code? Or, would requiring the inspector to be able to read it make it unusable to the occupants. I suggested bi-lingual, but what exactly is "CODE"?
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What country is this town in? Oh, The United States? English is all that you should need. :roll: :mad:
 
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Labeling the spare breakers as spares makes perfect sense to me.

But oh boy now we gotta do political correct or whatever they want to call it?

Lessee we gonna need
Braille
Pictures for those who cannot read
Spanish
Cambodian
Chinese
Vietnamese
Yiddish
Hebrew
German
Russian

uh where does it stop?
 
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Don`t forget ebonics since that was almost a required course in schools not to long ago.
On a side note does anyone here know what the official language of the United States almost was ,way back in Washingtons day ???
By around 6 votes English was chosen 2nd runner up was get this GERMAN :eek:
 
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The United States has no official language. English is considered the de facto language. However the following states and territories have officially adopted English as their official language;

Alabama, Alaska, American Samoa, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

Hawaii has adopted Hawaiian as their official language. Louisiana adopted French. New Mexico and Puerto Rico adopted Spanish.

I say print out two of them. One in each language. :p
 
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In what language is your electrical license printed? In what language did you read the rule that told you that you need to install a panel schedule? In what language will the Inspector either sign off on, or red tag, your installation?

The NEC is printed in more than one language. But it does not include any requirements concerning the use of language in any schedule, tag, or warning label. But if the Inspector cannot verify that you complied with the code, if you print it in a language other than English, then the Inspector should not accept it.
 
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