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Is there any code violation in connecting lighting and receptacle outlets in the same circuit in a bedroom?
 
Actually you could put all your bedrooms with lights ,fans ,outlets,smokes on just 1 afci.I dont suggest it but is legal.Also any other loads from living room etc could be on it.
 
srmoran said:
Is there any code violation in connecting lighting and receptacle outlets in the same circuit in a bedroom?
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No, as others have explained.

Personally, it's always made more sense to me to feed a light, then run the receptacles for the bedroom, rather than, say, feed the light, then feed all the receptacles on the walls common between two rooms, feed the next light, do another common wall on both sides. I think it's better to label a breaker "Bedroom #1", etc. than half a dozen "Lights".

I disagree with what Jim W wrote about using a single AFCI. In particular, I don't see how that satisfies 220.82 and some section that I can't remember which says the general lighting branch circuits have to be spread out evenly. I'm sure someone will tell me why I'm all wet.
 
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Tallgirl,

I hope your dry for a day or two. I'll give you the code and then you can take it from there.

210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit interuptor Protection.

(A) Defintion...

(B) Dwelling Unit Bedrooms. All 120-volt, single phase, 15- and 20- ampere branch circuits supplying outlets installed in swelling unit bedrooms shall be protected by a listed arc-fault circuit interuptor, combination type installed to provide protection of the branch circuit.
Franch/feeder AFCI's shall be permitted to be used to meet the requirements of 210.12(B) until January 1, 2008.

The exception(s) aren't worth getting excited about. They are for the 2008 NEC.


So there it is, all the bedrooms need it. Doesn't say you can't have a 220 heater circuit WITHOUT it though!
 
Rockyd said:
Tallgirl,

I hope your dry for a day or two. I'll give you the code and then you can take it from there.
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Jim W said 1 AFCI circuit. Since lighting circuits in dwellings are limited to 20A (210.23, I think ...), I don't see how he's going to make that work ...
 
Found it -- 210.11 (B). Load evenly proportioned among branch circuits. So, if the dwelling requires two (or more ...) branch circuits for "general lighting", you can't put all but one outlet on one BC, and the other on the second BC.
 
tallgirl said:
Jim W said 1 AFCI circuit. Since lighting circuits in dwellings are limited to 20A (210.23, I think ...), I don't see how he's going to make that work ...
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Like i said i would not suggest doing it.But if a living room receptacle was back to back with that bedroom receptacle you could stick it on that afci.
 
tallgirl said:
No, as others have explained.

Personally, it's always made more sense to me to feed a light, then run the receptacles for the bedroom, rather than, say, feed the light, then feed all the receptacles on the walls common between two rooms, feed the next light, do another common wall on both sides..
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I never do it that way. If you have to service that circuit then you have to remove the light fixture.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Like i said i would not suggest doing it.But if a living room receptacle was back to back with that bedroom receptacle you could stick it on that afci.
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It`s done day in and day out. Hit all the receptacles on a common wall to a bedroom.With residential being as low bid as it is to pull 2 sets of wires for a common wall would kill your bottom line.Although it is allowed common scense has to be used when it comes to what will be on that particular circuit.I liked our old point system we had for years 12 points on 20 amp,10 points on 15 amp.,receptacles counted as 2 points and lights as 1 point.

Now you are allowed to load a circuit till the cows come home figuring sq.footage/circuit.You can feed 4 12 X 12 bedrooms with one single circuit and still be code compliant.Will there be problems probably but it is allowed.

My kids can`t turn off a light or a tv or a computer without being told.If my house was wired as allowed I`d be breaking up fights between 3 kids everyday.3 pc`s,3 ceiling fans with lights,12 recessed cans, 3 tv`s,3 stereos, never mind the x box playstations and with 2 girls there are the hair dryers, curling irons etc.........Can`t wait till they turn 18 :)
 
allenwayne said:
It`s done day in and day out. Hit all the receptacles on a common wall to a bedroom.With residential being as low bid as it is to pull 2 sets of wires for a common wall would kill your bottom line.Although it is allowed common scense has to be used when it comes to what will be on that particular circuit.I liked our old point system we had for years 12 points on 20 amp,10 points on 15 amp.,receptacles counted as 2 points and lights as 1 point.

Now you are allowed to load a circuit till the cows come home figuring sq.footage/circuit.You can feed 4 12 X 12 bedrooms with one single circuit and still be code compliant.Will there be problems probably but it is allowed.

My kids can`t turn off a light or a tv or a computer without being told.If my house was wired as allowed I`d be breaking up fights between 3 kids everyday.3 pc`s,3 ceiling fans with lights,12 recessed cans, 3 tv`s,3 stereos, never mind the x box playstations and with 2 girls there are the hair dryers, curling irons etc.........Can`t wait till they turn 18 :)
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18 doesnt end anything.Its just the beginning to daddy i need the car.Mine refered to me as first national bank of daddy
 
allenwayne said:
My kids can`t turn off a light or a tv or a computer without being told.If my house was wired as allowed I`d be breaking up fights between 3 kids everyday.3 pc`s,3 ceiling fans with lights,12 recessed cans, 3 tv`s,3 stereos, never mind the x box playstations and with 2 girls there are the hair dryers, curling irons etc.........Can`t wait till they turn 18 :)
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Where were you when I said if I was Queen of the Universe I'd require a dedicated 20A "Computer Branch Circuit" for modern residential contruction?!?
 
big vic said:
I never do it that way. If you have to service that circuit then you have to remove the light fixture.
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You never start a room from the light fixture? Which way do you run things?!?
 
tallgirl said:
Where were you when I said if I was Queen of the Universe I'd require a dedicated 20A "Computer Branch Circuit" for modern residential contruction?!?
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Soo we will need dedicated 20 amp circuits for vacuum cleaners. Some of them draw 12-14 amps!
 
tallgirl said:
You never start a room from the light fixture? Which way do you run things?!?
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I always try to start it at the switch (often a 2 gang).It is about the only sure place you can get at after furniture is in place.Last thing i ever want is a junction under a fan/light.
 
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