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I think that the electrical contractor installed equipment then gave the architect the as built drawings.
 
when you approach it from the owners standpoint that sq ft = $$$, thats an ideal job
 
Looks good to me too. I have designed electric rooms with similarly tight clearances.
 
Well we installed the work what we our saying is each year the rooms are getting smaller in size.
Less space in these rooms for electrical this room had no error in any wall space and is packed with conduits .

This is one of many sub or branch electrical rooms fed from the main electrical room the only thing we pointed out to the enginneer was heat in room it has a 225 kva transformer and a 45 kva transformer, there is no air space behind the transformers its packed with conduits going up to the next floor .

Just wish who ever designs the electrical floor plans on projects would think about electrical clear space and give us one more inch of space !!! maybe a larger exshaust fan ? Or think about heat in a room this room was 12 foot long and 5 foot 11 inches wide .

The engineer says its ok but we disagree with him !!

Code says its ok but common sense says future heat related problems !! but we just wanted to see what you guys thought ?? take care
 
Overall, it looks pretty good to me. The only thing is that home-made plywood door.
It's hard to see for sure, but does it swing in ?? or out ??
That's a good, stout hanger for the transformer.
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company hired more employees. some inspector said you need to add one urinal to meet ratio.
I've done similar. I know you have 4 well supportrd conduits going into that 4 sq box and it's not going anywhere, but the Code says "support it. "
One simple TEK screw, or 8-32 is fine
 
ohmhead said:
Well we installed the work what we our saying is each year the rooms are getting smaller in size.
Less space in these rooms for electrical this room had no error in any wall space and is packed with conduits .


Just wish who ever designs the electrical floor plans on projects would think about electrical clear space and give us one more inch of space !!! maybe a larger exshaust fan ? Or think about heat in a room this room was 12 foot long and 5 foot 11 inches wide .
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I could not agree more. The rooms do not make the owner any money on a day to day basis. I would say the owner of the building has probably never stepped foot in the electrical rooms/closets.

It has become a terrible shame, almost a crime the rooms are so small. It leaves very little room for error when maintenance work is being performed, where does one put a ladder, how about your tools.

All I can say is don't get me started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
I could not agree more. The rooms do not make the owner any money on a day to day basis. I would say the owner of the building has probably never stepped foot in the electrical rooms/closets.

It has become a terrible shame, almost a crime the rooms are so small. It leaves very little room for error when maintenance work is being performed, where does one put a ladder, how about your tools.

All I can say is don't get me started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)
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Well we all see it everyday the owners dont care about these electrical rooms or what space we need no one ever looks at them !
Personally we like SQ D over any other gear its smaller in size its better built and any room they pick it will fit . now GE , EATON ,SIEMENS .OR WH are larger and take up more physical space. Meaning the tubs are bigger transformers are bigger and there switchboards are biggggger!!!

Funny thing is we only do new construction work and when my company bids they pick the lowest price which is all the others we just listed only the best jobs ask directly for SQUARE D HERES WHY its the best all around for commercial work .

When we take it off the truck its packed and shipped better its labeled better and the factory reps that come out actually can give you a answer or good service when needed. just another point id like to make ? comments best to ya
 
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Well sometime back a few posts i talked about minumum code clear space by design engineering teams now a days ? look at this http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt195/stringking/P1010041_01.jpg


take care you can walk in and have just enough code wise space to the inch !!http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt195/stringking/P1010040_01.jpghttp://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt195/stringking/P1010037_01.jpg
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I do not see where this would violate the Code. I could be wrong as there are no distance references within the pictures and it is not clear what is permanent and what is temporary, during the construction phase only. Nor is there a voltage reference. If you think taht the Code does not give comfortably sufficeint room, then you should lobby for change in the Code. IMO and extra 6" would not hurt. I think from the time when the distances were established the US average person had grown due to the improved diet and just 'good livin':smile:, so it could feel much tighter than back then. Fro the same token somebody should lobby OSHA to increase the minimum egress from 30".
 
Nec code is fine / engineer is not fine

Nec code is fine / engineer is not fine

Well there actually is no code violations in this room .
Each space and each clearance is the nec code to the tee meaning within 1/2 of a inch.

We did not need to put in measurements the picture alone says it all we need more space common sense .

Thats what were trying to point out why cant these rooms be better designed with a little bit of extra space ?

Its just a example of one of the tightest rooms to layout its not the Nec Code its the engineers who design these rooms.

The ones who make the electrical plans . Take care best to yas
 
We'll, as I've alluded to in another thread, engineers are "measured" on this - the ability to reduce the cost of their "function". A portion of that "cost" is the sq. ft. of the building that is consumed. Of course we would all like to have as much space as we think their "should" be to get our job done the way we'd like, but we can't always justify our own desires to those who are footing the bill. How many $$$ is an extra inch between each of those enclosure worth? Seriously - how is that calculated, as that is what we need to do in order to justify it. How is it explained that we need to take those feet from the abutting space, when we've already taken feet from the original plan because it wouldn't meet code? These are, of course, rhetorical questions as there is no concrete answer as to what works or is right in all cases. The only concrete answer is what is required by the code, and that is sometimes where things end up - sometimes we just don't get any "wiggle room".
 
ohmhead said:
Well there actually is no code violations in this room .
Each space and each clearance is the nec code to the tee meaning within 1/2 of a inch.

We did not need to put in measurements the picture alone says it all we need more space common sense .

Thats what were trying to point out why cant these rooms be better designed with a little bit of extra space ?

Its just a example of one of the tightest rooms to layout its not the Nec Code its the engineers who design these rooms.

The ones who make the electrical plans . Take care best to yas
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The architect and/or sales holds the power. Protest to them. ;)
 
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