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pipemaster said:
I say they do! They are professionals who are tasked at performing these duties. There is noway that you can wire something 100% wrong and still comply 100% with the code. If this is the case in the area where you work I shutter to think what has been approved in your town. Sounds like your town is VERY dangerous!
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Pipemaster, you seem to labor under the delusion that an inspector has the time to check every splice in every box, that is not realistic. As an inspector I rely on a certain level of competence of the installer. I will spot check splices, joints ect. and if I find problems I will check further.

pipemaster said:
the inspector would be the fall guy behind the person who installed it
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This is more faulty thinking on your part. The inspector never assumes any liability for an electrical installation. The liability always remains with the contractor who installed the wiring.

Chris
 
Claims

Claims

I work in the Risk Mangement end of things and get claims constantly for the simplest things. I have to do total investigations be cause someone slipped one a snow covered side walk in the middle of a snow storm because it should have been maintained at all times. Even though they had high heels or tennis shoes on in 6-inhces of snow.

I only do internal training but get requests all the time from outside enities and have to refuse due to the potential for law suits.

People come back and say well they told me I could or take a little bit of the informationand stretch it to waht ever they thing and not the whole of it to meet their ends and then end up having problems.


It use to be gods way of weeding out the stupid but now its how they get wealth.
 
raider1 said:
Pipemaster, you seem to labor under the delusion that an inspector has the time to check every splice in every box, that is not realistic. As an inspector I rely on a certain level of competence of the installer. I will spot check splices, joints ect. and if I find problems I will check further.





Chris
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Chris do you work in the same area as Allen. Isn't your job, your duty to perform the inspection to the best of your ability. Read your quote and you'll see the answer is YES if there are problems you look further. So let me ask you this. Have you ever inspected a job that was wired completely wrong and unsafe but complied with the code 100%. If it was a owner builder you just blow him off and spot check a few areas. I do not buy it.
 
pipemaster said:
Chris do you work in the same area as Allen. Isn't your job, your duty to perform the inspection to the best of your ability. Read your quote and you'll see the answer is YES if there are problems you look further. So let me ask you this. Have you ever inspected a job that was %wired completely wrong and unsafe but complied with the code 100%. If it was a owner builder you just blow him off and spot check a few areas. I do not buy it.
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Pipemaster, how could this be possible? "wired completely wrong and unsafe but complied with the code 100%" especially considering the OP and the situation.

I know the code is the minimum, but if you are 100% in compliance how can you be wrong?
 
We had a patchman ask us if a piece of mc 12-2 could maybe be his to run to his shed.Now if it was the right wire i would gladly have gave it to him because he has been very nice about patching.Now the problem is do i guide him on how to do this right ? I know he can not afford my services.Probally wrong but i insruckt him on buying uf at big orange and figure i have at least steered him in right direction.Will the job turn out legal ,i dought it.But i tried even thru cuban barrier to head him straight.But this was on my own and not using Mike in the middle.

This forum is owned and free to electrical people and at his request we do not help dyi and that is to limit his liability.Please spend a little bit on a qualified electrician to at least see your job and guide you.
 
pipemaster said:
I say they do! They are professionals who are tasked at performing these duties. There is no way that you can wire something 100% wrong and still comply 100% with the code. If this is the case in the area where you work I shutter to think what has been approved in your town. Sounds like your town is VERY dangerous!
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You are living in a dream world.I have men under me doing hundreds of hours of work that an inspector will get maybe 15 minutes to a max of an hour to inspect and you think he is going to inspect every joint and wire !!!!! what color pill are you on ? Be fair all he can do is look at the quality of a few spots and figure out if he had atleast one qualified man to over look the job.He by signing it off only says he did not see any violations not that there are not any.
 
pipemaster said:
Isn't your job, your duty to perform the inspection to the best of your ability.
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Yes.

pipemaster said:
Have you ever inspected a job that was wired completely wrong and unsafe but complied with the code 100%.
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No, I don't believe that it is possible to comply 100% with the code and have an unsafe, completely wrong wiring job.

pipemaster said:
If it was a owner builder you just blow him off and spot check a few areas. I do not buy it.
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It doesn't matter who wired a project, I inspect to the best of my ability and write up corrections accordingly.

Chris
 
raider1 said:
Yes.



No, I don't believe that it is possible to comply 100% with the code and have an unsafe, completely wrong wiring job.



It doesn't matter who wired a project, I inspect to the best of my ability and write up corrections accordingly.

Chris
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OK taking you at your word.I call in a rough inspection on a 50,000 sq ft building with 400 openings that took 5 men 2 weeks.Can we pick you up lunch ? Your one hell of of a great guy thats gonna inspect 100 % in even one day.There is a lift for your use.100 high bays at 30 feet just for a start.Or do you only do small stuff ?
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
OK taking you at your word.I call in a rough inspection on a 50,000 sq ft building with 400 openings that took 5 men 2 weeks.Can we pick you up lunch ? Your one hell of of a great guy thats gonna inspect 100 % in even one day.There is a lift for your use.100 high bays at 30 feet just for a start.Or do you only do small stuff ?
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Unless you intentionally did something wrong to a small number of boxes, splices, etc., a sampling of the work across the different types of work items, would be adequate to assure, within some statistical boundary, that the rest of the work was done correctly.
 
pipemaster said:
Allenwayne said:
I say they do! They are professionals who are tasked at performing these duties. ... If this is the case in the area where you work I shutter to think what has been approved in your town. Sounds like your town is VERY dangerous!
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I shudder to think that in all your years of better experience than the rest of us ding batters, you've never walked with an inspector on one of your illustrious hotels. :D

In coming to my final opinion of you, I decided (as I always do) to check and see what your post record looks like. You have offered very little of any substance to the forum in your twenty days here, and now have digressed into continually insulting everybody. On the bright side, it appears you do in fact own a code book, based on your first post in the forum.

I'm sure you do good work. You deserve to be happy.

Why not take up another hobby to fill your time? :)
 
tallgirl said:
Unless you intentionally did something wrong to a small number of boxes, splices, etc., a sampling of the work across the different types of work items, would be adequate to assure, within some statistical boundary, that the rest of the work was done correctly.
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EXACTLY my point,he/she looks at panels and a few random boxes.I try to be there and most know my work standards.I never knowingly violate any code.And my word to correct something can be taken to the bank.
 
georgestolz said:
In coming to my final opinion of you, I decided (as I always do) to check and see what your post record looks like. You have offered very little of any substance to the forum in your twenty days here, and now have digressed into continually insulting everybody.
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Nicely put George.
 
"I view this as a response driven by greed for wanting to force homeowners to hire contractors."
No, sorry, the owner of this forum set the rules.
Its a free county but not a free forum, Mr Holt pays for the forum.
 
Johnmcca said:
Pipemaster, how could this be possible? "wired completely wrong and unsafe but complied with the code 100%" especially considering the OP and the situation.

I know the code is the minimum, but if you are 100% in compliance how can you be wrong?
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Thats right, how can it be wrong unless you have some dummy inspect it that doesn't look at all. Thats what I have been saying. It does not matter who installs it but some people here are scared of a little competition from the DIY'rs. I am not a fan of the DIY'r but no one has the right to stop them from working on their own home. The biggest crime is not to answer the question and the guy doesn't find the answer and you could have stopped a fire or death but as long as it's inspected and approved who cares.
 
georgestolz said:
I shudder to think that in all your years of better experience than the rest of us ding batters, you've never walked with an inspector on one of your illustrious hotels. :D

In coming to my final opinion of you, I decided (as I always do) to check and see what your post record looks like. You have offered very little of any substance to the forum in your twenty days here, and now have digressed into continually insulting everybody. On the bright side, it appears you do in fact own a code book, based on your first post in the forum.

I'm sure you do good work. You deserve to be happy.

Why not take up another hobby to fill your time? :)
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Why are you so angry. Yes, wiring high rise hotels is far better than doing ding-bat work.
 
pipemaster said:
I am not a fan of the DIY'r but no one has the right to stop them from working on their own home. The biggest crime is not to answer the question and the guy doesn't find the answer and you could have stopped a fire or death but as long as it's inspected and approved who cares.
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I'll slow down so maybe you can catch up.

They ... do ... not ... have ... the ... right ... to ... be ... here.

Neither ... do ... you ... or ... I.

We ... are ... here ... because ... it ... pleases ... Mike ... Holt ... to ... provide ... this ... forum ... to ... the ... professional ... electrical ... community.

If ... they ... want ... help ... and ... you ... want ... to ... help ... them, then ... refer ... them ... to ... the ... DIY ... forum ... and ... go ... help ... them ... there.

Do ... you ... understand ... this?
 
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pipemaster said:
Thats right, how can it be wrong unless you have some dummy inspect it that doesn't look at all. Thats what I have been saying. It does not matter who installs it but some people here are scared of a little competition from the DIY'rs. I am not a fan of the DIY'r but no one has the right to stop them from working on their own home. The biggest crime is not to answer the question and the guy doesn't find the answer and you could have stopped a fire or death but as long as it's inspected and approved who cares.
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Not answering a question asked by an unqualified person with probably no trade skills and little mechanical skills is far from a crime. Wanna know what a crime is ? A DIY'er illegaly performing work and killing someone, now that is definetly a crime. Just from reading your previous posts I am sure you will shoot back with some baseless off the wall comment, so don't worry I won't waste my time reading it.
 
georgestolz said:
I'll slow down so maybe you can catch up.

They ... do ... not ... have ... the ... right ... to ... be ... here.

Neither ... do ... you ... or ... I.

We ... are ... here ... because ... it ... pleases ... Mike ... Holt ... to ... provide ... this ... forum ... to ... the ... professional ... electrical ... community.

If ... they ... want ... help ... and ... you ... want ... to ... help ... them, then ... refer ... them ... to ... the ... DIY ... forum ... and ... go ... help ... them ... there.

Do ... you ... understand ... this?
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I will never leave. So try as you mite, I will stay, I will help all, even the residential guys like you.
 
Kessler4130 said:
Not answering a question asked by an unqualified person with probably no trade skills and little mechanical skills is far from a crime. Wanna know what a crime is ? A DIY'er illegaly performing work and killing someone, now that is definetly a crime. Just from reading your previous posts I am sure you will shoot back with some baseless off the wall comment, so don't worry I won't waste my time reading it.
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Who said anything about "illegal work". Not me!
 
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