closet lights
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hbiss
EC, Westchester, New York NEC: 2014
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- Hawthorne, New York NEC: 2014
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- EC
Re: closet lights
Yes because the light is not in the closet.
Yes because the light is not in the closet.
ryan_618
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- Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: closet lights
Yes, but it will have to be enclosed.
Yes, but it will have to be enclosed.
scott moran
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Re: closet lights
Ryan,
Why does it have to be enclosed???
Ryan,
Why does it have to be enclosed???
ryan_618
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- Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: closet lights
410.8(B)(1)
410.8(B)(1)
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: closet lights
The 12 inch rule still applies
The 12 inch rule still applies
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: closet lights
Your right ,i missed that one.
Why would anyone put a can in a closet?
They are about the poorest type of light you could buy.
Your right ,i missed that one.
Why would anyone put a can in a closet?
They are about the poorest type of light you could buy.
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a.wayne3@verizon.net
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Re: closet lights
Jim I have done several homes where the architect spec recessed cans in closets.I always tell the builder first that the lighting will be terrible but they always say that`s what the architect says go with it(These have been high end homes)
Since they have to be covered trims a 40 watt bulb
doesn`t do much.I even did one that had dimmers on closet recessed go figure ?????
Jim I have done several homes where the architect spec recessed cans in closets.I always tell the builder first that the lighting will be terrible but they always say that`s what the architect says go with it(These have been high end homes)
Since they have to be covered trims a 40 watt bulb
doesn`t do much.I even did one that had dimmers on closet recessed go figure ?????
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: closet lights
Allen ,we both have seen some poor choices for fixtures ,all we can do is point it out to the GC, often i hear hold up on it if you can till i talk to the buyer.No problem if it's a huge custom and i will be there a week.If it's a track home and have a crew we just got to keep it rolling.Some arc's go as far as trying to draw the circuits, most just draw in recepts ,switches, lights, and often mis walls that need them.All they want is an electrical page so GC can get permit.Often on big customs they say forget the print, and off we go with GC marking the floor.Will gladly give them anything they will pay for, even if it's stupid,i too have put dimmers on closet lights.Had one that on a remodel built a master closet 12 x 12 and wanted outlets in every wall , why ? who cares,just do it.
Allen ,we both have seen some poor choices for fixtures ,all we can do is point it out to the GC, often i hear hold up on it if you can till i talk to the buyer.No problem if it's a huge custom and i will be there a week.If it's a track home and have a crew we just got to keep it rolling.Some arc's go as far as trying to draw the circuits, most just draw in recepts ,switches, lights, and often mis walls that need them.All they want is an electrical page so GC can get permit.Often on big customs they say forget the print, and off we go with GC marking the floor.Will gladly give them anything they will pay for, even if it's stupid,i too have put dimmers on closet lights.Had one that on a remodel built a master closet 12 x 12 and wanted outlets in every wall , why ? who cares,just do it.
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a.wayne3@verizon.net
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Re: closet lights
yeah it`s there $$$$ so let them spend it !!!!!!
Oh Catus will call you after the new year,we are still looking but the HRO has put a freeze till after jan 1
yeah it`s there $$$$ so let them spend it !!!!!!
Oh Catus will call you after the new year,we are still looking but the HRO has put a freeze till after jan 1
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
Re: closet lights
I have put in many but I try to use a screw-in compact fluorescent bulb At least until I read the instruction's on the bulb packaging. It say's not to be used in enclosed fixtures. Darn!
[ December 27, 2003, 03:31 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
I have put in many but I try to use a screw-in compact fluorescent bulb At least until I read the instruction's on the bulb packaging. It say's not to be used in enclosed fixtures. Darn!
[ December 27, 2003, 03:31 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
jimwalker
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Re: closet lights
HURK i see nothing on the package saying it can't be inclosed.I bought several 4 packs at the big orange and replaced all of our incandescents.The package says(compact size allows lamp to fit anywhere a standard incandescent bulb will fit).They are the 14 watt =60 watt and they are smaller than reg bulbs.Only problem i had was that my decora dimmers had to be removed.hope they make some in the big 3 inch types used in hollywoods and some to replace the fancy decoara types.Have seen them in bug yellow.
HURK i see nothing on the package saying it can't be inclosed.I bought several 4 packs at the big orange and replaced all of our incandescents.The package says(compact size allows lamp to fit anywhere a standard incandescent bulb will fit).They are the 14 watt =60 watt and they are smaller than reg bulbs.Only problem i had was that my decora dimmers had to be removed.hope they make some in the big 3 inch types used in hollywoods and some to replace the fancy decoara types.Have seen them in bug yellow.
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: closet lights
Hurk i read it and your right for your brand /model.
The ones i bought are made by COMMERCIAL ELECTRIC
They say (ultra mini spiral lamp)423-599
commercial electric 2455 paces ferry road n w
Atlanta georgia 30339 800-378-6998
I tried to find a web page.Now I'm curious as to why yours have the limitation and mine don't.Will try to phone them monday.Could it be the size you were using?These bulbs might be something to think about for temp. lights , given the savings in electric along with wattage being about 1/4th.The ones i bought were at home depot and cost just under $8 for a 4 pack.They are every bit as bright as conventional bulbs.
Hurk i read it and your right for your brand /model.
The ones i bought are made by COMMERCIAL ELECTRIC
They say (ultra mini spiral lamp)423-599
commercial electric 2455 paces ferry road n w
Atlanta georgia 30339 800-378-6998
I tried to find a web page.Now I'm curious as to why yours have the limitation and mine don't.Will try to phone them monday.Could it be the size you were using?These bulbs might be something to think about for temp. lights , given the savings in electric along with wattage being about 1/4th.The ones i bought were at home depot and cost just under $8 for a 4 pack.They are every bit as bright as conventional bulbs.
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- Massachusetts
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: closet lights
Bob yes they are UL and made in China
Bob yes they are UL and made in China
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- Massachusetts
Re: closet lights
Jim as you like to stir the pot I will too.
The fixtures you put these into, are they listed for use with self contained compact fluorescent lamps?
The highhats I install have very specific lamps listed on them, some include compact fluorescents of the type that has a remote ballast.
I have never seen a self contained compact florescent lamp as one of approved lamps on a highhat.
Jim as you like to stir the pot I will too.
The fixtures you put these into, are they listed for use with self contained compact fluorescent lamps?
The highhats I install have very specific lamps listed on them, some include compact fluorescents of the type that has a remote ballast.
I have never seen a self contained compact florescent lamp as one of approved lamps on a highhat.
jimwalker
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Re: closet lights
Good point.I am sure many have not listed them as they are still kind of new and price is only starting to drop as well as the size.This may also apply to other fixtures.Being the fixture was most likely made long before the new lamps.AHJ could possibly red tag a job that installed these.Do you feel there is any hazard in using them?They seem to me to be a fine replacement.Almost no heat.Maybe the answer lies within the LISTING.What exactly were they listed for? If they were tested to replace the standard bulb then i believe we could use them.Keep stiring the pot LOL
[ December 28, 2003, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
Good point.I am sure many have not listed them as they are still kind of new and price is only starting to drop as well as the size.This may also apply to other fixtures.Being the fixture was most likely made long before the new lamps.AHJ could possibly red tag a job that installed these.Do you feel there is any hazard in using them?They seem to me to be a fine replacement.Almost no heat.Maybe the answer lies within the LISTING.What exactly were they listed for? If they were tested to replace the standard bulb then i believe we could use them.Keep stiring the pot LOL
[ December 28, 2003, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
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Re: closet lights
Jim I tried to find some UL info but lamps do not seem to be in the UL white book that I have.
Do I feel there is a hazard? I have one in my enclosed porch fixture.
The 15 watt fluorescent seems to make a lot less heat than the 60 watt incandescent it replaced.
It is on a photo cell and has run all night every night for 3 or 4 years, I would like to see an incandescent match that.
Jim I tried to find some UL info but lamps do not seem to be in the UL white book that I have.
Do I feel there is a hazard? I have one in my enclosed porch fixture.
The 15 watt fluorescent seems to make a lot less heat than the 60 watt incandescent it replaced.
It is on a photo cell and has run all night every night for 3 or 4 years, I would like to see an incandescent match that.
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