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romeo said:
Hey guys that is what we are stuck with,unreasonable inspectors and also hack electricians. Just wondering what there are most of. That may be a good question.

I hope I don't qualify for both. (smile)
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Probably more hacks,if it wasnt for hacks inspectors would not be needed.We all see hacked jobs unless we only do new
 
Yesterday I couldn't spell inspector, now I are one.

My guess is he is mixing up wire size with voltage and even then he is still not correct, but I am sure that once you point out the error of his ways he will be more than happy to sign the card.

Caller #6, how ridiculous. "What do you want when you gotta have something....."
 
One of the dumbest things I ever got called on was an inspector that said a wall sconce in the stairway had to be higher then 6' 8" so you wouldn't bump into it if you were leaning against the wall as you came down the stairs. When I asked him where he came up with 6' 8" he said thats what header hieght was on doors.:confused:
 
acrwc10 said:
One of the dumbest things I ever got called on was an inspector that said a wall sconce in the stairway had to be higher then 6' 8" so you wouldn't bump into it if you were leaning against the wall as you came down the stairs. When I asked him where he came up with 6' 8" he said thats what header hieght was on doors.:confused:
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That may seem dumb but it is in the building code that stairs cannot be obstructed. I got hit on that years ago. I hate stair sconces anyway.
 
stickboy1375 said:
So if the railing sticks out 4", what would the problem with a light be?
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I am not sure what the actual code is. I believe there is maximum that the handrail can protrude and that may be an exception to the rule. Maybe if the light fixture sticks out more than the minimum it is an issue. Not sure I will try and check this out.
 
stickboy1375 said:
So if the railing sticks out 4", what would the problem with a light be?
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there are very exact allowances in the building codes for handrails, and obstructions (IRC 2003 - 311.5.6). I believe that there are also some additional ones in nfpa (101 or 102 ?) IRC 2003 -311.5.2 also says the minimum headroom "in all parts of the stairway" shall be 6-8 min. I don't have recent copies of BOCA or ANSI but its helpful to know some of the bldg code so you don't get sidelined when some arch. or homeowner asks you to install some goofy fixture in some crazy fashion
 
Otherwise I have a feeling the only wire allowed in the dwelling would be whatever the service conductors are.

Perhaps this guy has a brother in the wire making business and they have too much SE on hand? I mean, if you can't mix #12 and #10, how can you mix SE and anything else?!?
 
acrwc10 said:
One of the dumbest things I ever got called on was an inspector that said a wall sconce in the stairway had to be higher then 6' 8" so you wouldn't bump into it if you were leaning against the wall as you came down the stairs. When I asked him where he came up with 6' 8" he said thats what header hieght was on doors.:confused:
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My kid brother is almost 6'5". Putting something 6'8" AFF isn't a guarantee no one is going to hit it.

The first time I wired a house to ADA (or whatever) specs, I thought that only midgets would want to live in the place. I still think only midgets want to live in those places.
 
tallgirl said:
My kid brother is almost 6'5". Putting something 6'8" AFF isn't a guarantee no one is going to hit it.

The first time I wired a house to ADA (or whatever) specs, I thought that only midgets would want to live in the place. I still think only midgets want to live in those places.
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Or an American with a Disability... :roll:
 
tallgirl said:
My kid brother is almost 6'5". Putting something 6'8" AFF isn't a guarantee no one is going to hit it.
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So are you recommending no minimum clearance? We aren't hobbitts you know. :grin:
 
Most of the ec here take more shots at other ec's than the do at inspectors.
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After spending more than an unusual amount of time in the last 6 weeks trouble shooting electrical issues, power quality, grounding , GFP, faults and on and on in projects supposedly completed by electricians I just want to scream.

I cannot believe the sad state we have gotten too, with workers just not knowing or giving a durn. It just goes to prove what I have said for years "Electricity is a lot safer than we give it credit for, otherwise at least a 3rd* of the structures built in this country would burn down."


I make a living doing this, but believe me I would really rather have less work and be able know our trade was manned with professionals, instead of what seems to a majority of the electricians have a lay and leave stance towards their job.

* OK maybe a slight exaggeration, but only by a small percentage..

It takes no longer to do quality work that to do a slacker installation and a little NEC course every now and then would not hurt either...
 
brian john said:
It takes no longer to do quality work that to do a slacker installation and a little NEC course every now and then would not hurt either...
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I don't think the problem is that electricians don't want to do quality work, it's that in many instances, they don't know how to do quality work. Generally, people who work for a living have a desire to do a good job.

As for code courses, there are many people in the construction industries because they cannot read and cannot comprehend. They could memorize an article chapter and verse, but their minds cannot apply what's in the book to the physical world.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
So are you recommending no minimum clearance? We aren't hobbitts you know. :grin:
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I'm thinking 6'8" isn't enough!

Oh, and my son is a hobbit. He has the furry feet and all to prove it. He's just, well, TALL for a hobbit.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Or an American with a Disability... :roll:
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I'm not convinced the electrical aspects of ADA are general enough to cover all reasonable disabilities. They seem to focus exclusively on people who are wheelchair bound. As an example, I don't recall that Decoro-style switches were required, even though they are arguably easier to operate by someone with fine motor skills issues.

Requirements for medical facilities -- paddle-style handles -- made more sense than switch and receptacle placement requirements for residences. Not saying the requirements are bad, just that they don't seem to have been completely thought out.
 
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