Code Compliant or Esthetics?

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M. D. said:
Draped cords are dangerous anyone who has raised a kid , or been around one in a home ,..knows that cords , of all types ,.. are going to be pulled.
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I do agree with you there.

I just don't see how an exception would change that. If the HO thinks that cord hanging from that receptacle is dangerous they do have a choice not to use it. The NEC does not require the receptacle be used, only that it be there.

IMO what it really comes down is electricians wanting to take the path of least resistance with the HO.
 
M. D. said:
No,.. and I'm not saying that the Island receptacle outlet should be prohibited.
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My vote would be close to that.

If the island is flat on top, receptacles should be allowed (a choice of the HO), but only allowed on the top.

If the island has a backsplash, a receptacle should be required as part of the backsplash.

Receptacles should be prohibited on the side of any island due to the high risk of injury from grabbing the dangling cord of equipment typically used in a kitchen, whether intentionally by a child, or unintentionally by passers-by (high likelihood that it will be either hot or a motorized appliance).

Kent
 
iwire said:
I do agree with you there.

I just don't see how an exception would change that. If the HO thinks that cord hanging from that receptacle is dangerous they do have a choice not to use it. The NEC does not require the receptacle be used, only that it be there.

IMO what it really comes down is electricians wanting to take the path of least resistance with the HO.
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How's about closing this old tired dead thread?
 
steelersman said:
How's about closing this old tired dead thread?
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Nobody here is forced to read any posts. Collectivly we sometimes work out solutions. This is not likely to be one.Closing threads should not be used unless a moderator needs to keep it under control without misuse. I rather enjoy arguments like this one,even if i lose.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Swithed my computor over to propane.
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Hank would be proud!

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480sparky said:
I've had the honor of some of my work being shown in magazine articles. Rather, my work tends to disappear in the photo spreads. I look at the images and say, "Dang! I know there's an outlet right there......"
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A few of mine too... And it wasn't photo shop - it was days on weeks of battering back and forth to come up with compliant solutions that would pass muster with both inspector and owner. Some of which were pretty inventive, and mostly on my part. Design work that I should have been paid for - but just did to get the ball rolling out the door for an eventual payment on the job at final.
 
I can't believe the responces to this thread. Some really good thoughts about an on-going dilemma. I'm glad to see that the problem is so far reaching. Maybe someone will be able to write a code proposal that has enough merit to be accepted and help alleviate the issue.
 
iwire said:
IMO what it really comes down is electricians wanting to take the path of least resistance with the HO.
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IMO It's not just the path of least resistance it's also about doing what we can to my our customers happy and safe. I would be willing to bet that there are a few on your side of this arguement that may have a change of heart if it was their remodelled kitchen and they maybe had a wife that really didn't want her expensive island carved.
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
IMO It's not just the path of least resistance it's also about doing what we can to my our customers happy and safe. I would be willing to bet that there are a few on your side of this arguement that may have a change of heart if it was their remodelled kitchen and they maybe had a wife that really didn't want her expensive island carved.
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Why is an island 'special'? I don't see long draw out discussions over the required counter outlets, or the required wall outlets or the required outside outlets.

If the customer feels the use of that island receptacal is dangerous no one is forcing them to use it, only that they find a spot to put it.
 
In my case, I had informed the GC and homeowner about the requirement, they communicated with the inspector, and I was informed that the receptacle could be omitted.

With whom should I have continued to argue at that point? I would have been the only one still insisting on installing one on the island. I did what the concensus agreed to.
 
iwire said:
Why is an island 'special'? I don't see long draw out discussions over the required counter outlets, or the required wall outlets or the required outside outlets.

If the customer feels the use of that island receptacal is dangerous no one is forcing them to use it, only that they find a spot to put it.
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Odd are, the island is 'special' because most HOs are used to receps on the walls, but don't like the 'look' of a recep on an island.
 
LarryFine said:
In my case, I had informed the GC and homeowner about the requirement, they communicated with the inspector, and I was informed that the receptacle could be omitted.

With whom should I have continued to argue at that point? I would have been the only one still insisting on installing one on the island. I did what the concensus agreed to.
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I would say fine.Now kindly sign this paper saying as the inspector you made this call.Just his word ? No chance.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
I would say fine.Now kindly sign this paper saying as the inspector you made this call.Just his word ? No chance.
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No, but as I said earlier, the first decision and the overrule are part of the permit records. If it's ever pulled, it will all show up. Plus, we keep our copies of all inspections.
 
LarryFine said:
With whom should I have continued to argue at that point?
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With who ever might have wanted a credit for not having it installed.

Roger
 
roger said:
With who ever might have wanted a credit for not having it installed.

Roger
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What credit ? He spent more time dealing with everyone fighting not to put it in than it would took to install. No credit from me,actually should be extra charge.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
roger said:
With who ever might have wanted a credit for not having it installed.
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What credit ? He spent more time dealing with everyone fighting not to put it in than it would took to install. No credit from me,actually should be extra charge.
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True, but I was happy to call it a wash.
 
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