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sii

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If it's not bolted down, it's portable. Even if it weighs 12K pounds. I don't see a problem with a cord here.
 
kwired

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Sierrasparky said:
You can't substitute a cord for permanent wiring.
This is 480 for god sake. I would not want the to be the installer when someone get hurt.

Your bosses are idiots and that kinda makes you one if you follow their idiot demands.

As I said earlier , let the inspector tell them no and you are out of the loop.
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400.7(A) uses permitted - first item mentioned is pendants.
 
gadfly56

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Sierrasparky said:
You can't substitute a cord for permanent wiring.
This is 480 for god sake. I would not want the to be the installer when someone get hurt.

Your bosses are idiots and that kinda makes you one if you follow their idiot demands.

As I said earlier , let the inspector tell them no and you are out of the loop.
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Based on the information we have to date, everyone who thinks there's a permit for this work, raise your hand.


Yeah, me neither.
 
iwire

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Sierrasparky said:
You can't substitute a cord for permanent wiring.
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He is not, as described cord is permitted for this.

This is 480 for god sake. I would not want the to be the installer when someone get hurt.
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Yes it's 480, still legal, safe and common.

Your bosses are idiots and that kinda makes you one if you follow their idiot demands.

As I said earlier , let the inspector tell them no and you are out of the loop.
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There is nothing idiotic about wiring machinery with cord and plug. If there is an inpection there is no reason it should not pass.

You don't seem very failure with industrial wiring.
 
Sierrasparky

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iwire said:
He is not, as described cord is permitted for this.



Yes it's 480, still legal, safe and common.




There is nothing idiotic about wiring machinery with cord and plug. If there is an inpection there is no reason it should not pass.

You don't seem very failure with industrial wiring.
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I never said that wiring the machine with cord is a issue. However I did say wiring with cord to a disco where said disco is not mounted on the machine is probably a issue as that is a substitue for permanent wiring.

This machine sounds like it is working with metal and sharp objects, i would be concerned that the cord could get damaged and cause harm. Even the picture Fulthrotl posted has a sleeve for protection.
 
Fulthrotl

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Sierrasparky said:
This machine sounds like it is working with metal and sharp objects, i would be concerned that the cord could get damaged and cause harm. Even the picture Fulthrotl posted has a sleeve for protection.
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the folks i did that install for removed the installed cable from the sleeve, and last i was aware,
it's dragging on the ground behind the machine, except where it's hanging suspended by mule
tape, a foot off the ground.

life goes on.
 
kwired

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Tonybrzez said:
I do have that card in my back pocket
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Be careful how you play that card, even if you are trying to do the right thing, you may become known as the whistle blower making your relationship with others more difficult. Nothing makes a job worse then not getting along with those you work with, no matter how much you like or dislike the work itself.
 
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kwired said:
Be careful how you play that card, even if you are trying to do the right thing, you may become known as the whistle blower making your relationship with others more difficult. Nothing makes a job worse then not getting along with those you work with, no matter how much you like or dislike the work itself.
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Oh believe me I know this. That's why it is in my back pocket. Even though there are laws against companies getting rid of whistle blowers, it still does happen. I'm of the firm belief that as the old saying goes;

"you can attract a lot more flies with honey rather than vinegar"

the other guys on the project were with me whole hardheartedly and we all sat down finally explaining, not only did I have to drop a 480vac/60 amp cord hanging from the ceiling down to the disco, I also needed a Cat-5 that I eventually put in a 1/2" RMC, a 110 receptacle for a laptop for access to the PLC and a 1 inch air supply for the machine.

In the end we won. The powers that be realized there's just too much on this to hang a bunch of stuff from the roof. I told them if they want it moved I'll be more than happy to re-run everything. Having two other machines exactly like this that I put in last year and ran all hard pipe also helped a lot. So there, if you keep making your point sometimes it will get through
 
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