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Can a combo AFCI/GFCI outlet be used in replacement of a AFCI breaker? Would like to use them in SAP kitchen circuits. Thanks
Can a combo AFCI/GFCI outlet be used in replacement of a AFCI breaker? Would like to use them in SAP kitchen circuits. Thanks
Can a combo AFCI/GFCI outlet be used in replacement of a AFCI breaker? Would like to use them in SAP kitchen circuits. Thanks
Do you mean a combination AFCI/GFCI receptacle? I haven't seen them available yet? Are they available for sale?
There are afci/gfci breakers available and they can be used to cover the new requirements in the kitchen
We use them quite often. I heard they were coming out with a AFCI/GFCI receptacle. Any true to that rumor?
This is truth, not rumor. Locally, they are flying off the shelves at Graybar (can't speak for other vendors). You may have to put an order in to get yours after a restocking order.We use them quite often. I heard they were coming out with a AFCI/GFCI receptacle. Any true to that rumor?
This is truth, not rumor. Locally, they are flying off the shelves at Graybar (can't speak for other vendors). You may have to put an order in to get yours after a restocking order.
Let us know if you find something other than Leviton available. I had learned at the Upper Midwest show that Cooper's (P&S) will also be coming out about now. . . and a Hubble device later this summer.Thanks. I'll check with my supplier on Monday.
You would still need an AFCI circuit breaker in the panel ahead of these devices according to NEC 2014, 210.12(A)(3) and 210.12(A)(4)d. requires "The combination of the branch-circuit overcurrent device and the outlet branch-circuit AFCI shall be identified as meeting the requirements for a system combination-type AFCI and shall be listed as such."
Now does anyone know if these new devices have the listing required by 210.12(A)(4)d.?
Dennis, this topic is about using an AFCI/GFCI receptacle instead of an AFCI breaker. The OP wants to use standard breakers and have all AFCI/GFCI protection at the receptacle.I am not sure what you are responding to but it appears you are mixing up two things. The section you are talking about where their is a listed afci breaker and listed afci receptacle as a system does not exist however the afci/gfci breaker meets the requirements of both afci and gfci for the circuit-- one breaker with both functions.
Yes...thats what I talking about. I don't know of a product that complies with 210.12(A)(4)d.Dennis, this topic is about using an AFCI/GFCI receptacle instead of an AFCI breaker. The OP wants to use standard breakers and have all AFCI/GFCI protection at the receptacle.
There isn't one, and that section was to be removed, however it remains in the 2017 code as a result of the floor vote on a motion at the technical meeting last week in Las Vegas. It is interesting that there were a lot more people that voted on that motion than any of the other motions.Yes...thats what I talking about. I don't know of a product that complies with 210.12(A)(4)d.
Dennis, this topic is about using an AFCI/GFCI receptacle instead of an AFCI breaker. The OP wants to use standard breakers and have all AFCI/GFCI protection at the receptacle.
(5) If RMC, IMC, EMT, Type MC, or steel-armored Type
AC cables meeting the requirements of 250.118, metal
wireways, metal auxiliary gutters, and metal outlet and
junction boxes are installed for the portion of the
branch circuit between the branch-circuit overcurrent
device and the first outlet, it shall be permitted to install
a listed outlet branch-circuit type AFCI at the first outlet
to provide protection for the remaining portion of
the branch circuit.
They would be good for remodel jobs....not new construction unless you ran mc to the first outlet