Conduit Routing Predicament

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George Stolz said:
Around here it wouldn't fly. In fact, in the City of Loveland nearby, we can't even route the service conductors through the bottom of a temp service, even though it's all one box - due to a restrictive interpretation of 230.7.

Is this enclosure being used as a raceway?
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Strange interpretation of 230.7. Response to the drawing from the link is not that there are service and non-service conductors in the same gutter, it?s metered and non metered conductors in the lower section. The serving utility will not allow this because there would be no way to seal these service conductors and tapping onto these conductors would result in non-metered usage. I have often seen those panels and I believe entering the bottom of the panel is more of a UL listing violation.
The other thread is rather lengthy but I going to read it when I return. Many other thing to do.
 
Okay, I've done a little looking around, and found the GE equivalent to what I am installing, and it is the same:



Seeing this, I imagine the prices are about the same all around - the modular gear is going to be ultimately five times more expensive than what I have selected. I'm just going to need to accommodate the cheaper gear.

I appreciate all the responses and ideas, keep 'em coming. :cool:
 
Got a shovel?

Depending on what the conduits look do at grade, you might be able to dig them up and do a switcharoo.

Best case is that the POCO used direct buried cable and the apartment feeds are out of the way enough to jog them over.

If everything is conduit, you may end up with something a little ugly.

Hmmmm......Set the new panel out from the building, offset the service lateral in front and the feeders in back???


Flex???


How about, just box/frame/brick in whatever you have to do at the bottom and cover it up.


Turn it around so the meters face into the apartment....and post pics :)
 
George

After thinking of this situation I later realized that, even if you could mix the service conductors and non-service conductors in the same gutter the poco probably would object because these service conductors in the gutter are on the supply side of the metering. That wouldn’t fly here either, the poco would refuse to energize their conductors.

Thanks for the link to the other thread.
 
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George, Is there enough room from front to back ( say 8" ) so that you could run two

4 inch aux. gutters under the new peice keeping the service conductors seperate ??
 
Are there rules preventing a raceway in a raceway?

Like passing the service conductors through a feeder trough to an adjacent splice box, in flex or conduit. Then splicing feeders in said trough, and service conductors in the adjacent splice box.
 
George, I don?t understand your pricing for modular metering. Why are comparing 7 meters with a main service disconnect? Why not check the price for and underground pull section and 1-4 meter stack or 2-2 meter stacks. I?m sure it will be more that the all-in-one you plan to use but probably less considering the additional materials and labor to make it work.
 
Sorry Larry, I type in Word and past here. I usually try to remember to change the font to the same used here but I must have selected the wrong one. Unfortunately you only get two seconds to edit your post.
 
As it turns out, I was wrong wrong wrong. Wrong.

According to the supply house, the modular tap cabinet and companion four stack is not even $150 more than what they originally sold me, so the order has been revised.

So, another day spent thinking about the hard way to get something done is gone. One of these days I will pursue the easier route out of the gate and quit making stupid assumptions. :mad:

Thanks to all that contributed!
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George, make sure a tap box is approved by your utility. They make tap boxes and underground pull sections. Tap boxes are usually pretty small and not approved for terminating underground service conductors in many areas. The underground pull section is similar to what is installed in the all-in-one you posted.
 
It would probably be easiest to get a shutdown from the utility company and relocate the feeders to the left. You will need one anyway to replace the meter pack. The extra time relocating the feeders will far more outway the cost of buying a modular meter pack.
 
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