Conduit strapping
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Jim W in Tampa
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iwire said:
Also note that i did not say the hole would support it.Holes do not support anything but drywall can. :wink:
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Jim W in Tampa said:
Jim the code number has been discussed. :lol:
It was your feeling it did not apply as you believe sheetrock is a framing member. :roll: Kind of scary as you live in Hurricane central. :shock:
If you can find anything to support your statement that sheetrock is a framing member I will be more than surprised.
The basic rule is EMT must be securely fastened every 10'. 338.30(A) (Remember 'securely fastened' is more than 'supported')
If the EMT happens to pass horizontally through framing members than it does not have to be securely fastened it only needs to be 'supported'.
Jim W in Tampa
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celtic said:
It's fixed and i paid the fine :lol:
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celtic said:
That would be the one. 8)
That is unless the building is constructed entirely of Sheetrock.
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Jim W in Tampa
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?Prev Next?Back to resultsMain Entry: 2frame
Function: noun
1 a : something composed of parts fitted together and united b : the physical makeup of an animal and especially a human body : PHYSIQUE , FIGURE
2 a : the constructional system that gives shape or strength (as to a building) ; also : a frame dwelling b : such a skeleton not filled in or covered
3 obsolete : the act or manner of framing
4 a : a machine built upon or within a framework <a spinning frame> b : an open case or structure made for admitting, enclosing, or supporting something <a window frame> c (1) : a part of a pair of glasses that holds one of the lenses (2) plural : that part of a pair of glasses other than the lenses d : a structural unit in an automobile chassis supported on the axles and supporting the rest of the chassis and the body
5 a : an enclosing border b : the matter or area enclosed in such a border: as (1) : one of the squares in which scores for each round are recorded (as in bowling) ; also : a round in bowling (2) : an individual drawing in a comic strip usually enclosed by a bordering line (3) : one picture of the series on a length of film (4) : a complete image for display (as on a television set) c : an inning in baseball d (1) : FRAMEWORK 1a (2) : CONTEXT , FRAME OF REFERENCE e : an event that forms the background for the action of a novel or play
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Sounds to me that everything making the wall is FRAMING.NEC did not define framing so its left to the dictionary.But if we wish to stop calling drywall as a support then we better stop using toggle bolts,cut in boxes,and remodel cans.
Also i bet if the average 200 lb electrician tried to hold himself up on a piece of 1/2 emt with a 1 hole strap on the ceiling even to steel that he will fall
Function: noun
1 a : something composed of parts fitted together and united b : the physical makeup of an animal and especially a human body : PHYSIQUE , FIGURE
2 a : the constructional system that gives shape or strength (as to a building) ; also : a frame dwelling b : such a skeleton not filled in or covered
3 obsolete : the act or manner of framing
4 a : a machine built upon or within a framework <a spinning frame> b : an open case or structure made for admitting, enclosing, or supporting something <a window frame> c (1) : a part of a pair of glasses that holds one of the lenses (2) plural : that part of a pair of glasses other than the lenses d : a structural unit in an automobile chassis supported on the axles and supporting the rest of the chassis and the body
5 a : an enclosing border b : the matter or area enclosed in such a border: as (1) : one of the squares in which scores for each round are recorded (as in bowling) ; also : a round in bowling (2) : an individual drawing in a comic strip usually enclosed by a bordering line (3) : one picture of the series on a length of film (4) : a complete image for display (as on a television set) c : an inning in baseball d (1) : FRAMEWORK 1a (2) : CONTEXT , FRAME OF REFERENCE e : an event that forms the background for the action of a novel or play
6 : FRAME -up
Sounds to me that everything making the wall is FRAMING.NEC did not define framing so its left to the dictionary.But if we wish to stop calling drywall as a support then we better stop using toggle bolts,cut in boxes,and remodel cans.
Also i bet if the average 200 lb electrician tried to hold himself up on a piece of 1/2 emt with a 1 hole strap on the ceiling even to steel that he will fall
jwelectric
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Doesn?t everyone agree that the sheetrock would work as long as the conduit was tied to it with a piece of tie wire?
:lol:
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Jim W in Tampa
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It does not matter who did what on a building.I have done every trade involved building 20 plus homes from ground up.And i have met many others who can do the same.
What is at hand here is drywall and if its part of the framing or not.
Without NEC giving a definition just what would you care to use ?
NEC really needs to print a dictionary for every word it uses.Without a clear definition we end up with this kind of problem often.
Is grid wire a framing member ?Seen plenty of emt hung from them with batwings
What is at hand here is drywall and if its part of the framing or not.
Without NEC giving a definition just what would you care to use ?
NEC really needs to print a dictionary for every word it uses.Without a clear definition we end up with this kind of problem often.
Is grid wire a framing member ?Seen plenty of emt hung from them with batwings
Jim W in Tampa
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Back to resultsMain Entry: 2neutral
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from (assumed) Medieval Latin neutralis, from Latin, of neuter gender, from neutr-, neuter
1 : not engaged on either side ; specifically : not aligned with a political or ideological grouping <a neutral nation>
2 : of or relating to a neutral state or power <neutral territory>
3 a : not decided or pronounced as to characteristics : INDIFFERENT b (1) : ACHROMATIC (2) : nearly achromatic c (1) : NEUTER 3 (2) : lacking stamens or pistils d : neither acid nor basic e : not electrically charged
4 : produced with the tongue in the position it has when at rest <the neutral vowels of \&-'b&v\ above>
- neu?tral?ly/-tr&-le/ adverb
- neu?tral?ness noun
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from (assumed) Medieval Latin neutralis, from Latin, of neuter gender, from neutr-, neuter
1 : not engaged on either side ; specifically : not aligned with a political or ideological grouping <a neutral nation>
2 : of or relating to a neutral state or power <neutral territory>
3 a : not decided or pronounced as to characteristics : INDIFFERENT b (1) : ACHROMATIC (2) : nearly achromatic c (1) : NEUTER 3 (2) : lacking stamens or pistils d : neither acid nor basic e : not electrically charged
4 : produced with the tongue in the position it has when at rest <the neutral vowels of \&-'b&v\ above>
- neu?tral?ly/-tr&-le/ adverb
- neu?tral?ness noun
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Jim W in Tampa said:
Gee I don't know????
Maybe the UL classification. :wink:
I can't be bothered looking it up but I bet Sheetrock is not classified as a framing member.
Jim W in Tampa said:
Not the same thing at all, 338.30(B) does not apply in the least to ceiling tie wire. For that you need to comply with 338.30(A).
Jim sheet rock is only a framing member on Pluto and maybe a few developing nations not in the USA. :lol:
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tonyi said:
:lol:
I say it would depend on the UL clasification.......and the inspectors willingness to turn a blind eye toward an installation that is solid vs entirely code compliant. :wink:
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celtic said:
A visit from the grammer police ?
A visit from the grammar police ?
Courtesy your local spelling police :twisted:
sandsnow
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We are above ceiling and a 1/2 EMT goes through a hole (not bashed with a hammer) through the drywall perpindicular to the wall.
Will I measure the distance from the wall to the first strap on each side to see if it's 10 feet apart? Nope.
Change the above to 2" EMT Yes I will.
Change the above to a trapeeze full of conduit. Oh Yeah!
Drywall is not a framing member. It is fastened to framing members.
Source: Common knoweldge. No NEC definition needed.
Will I measure the distance from the wall to the first strap on each side to see if it's 10 feet apart? Nope.
Change the above to 2" EMT Yes I will.
Change the above to a trapeeze full of conduit. Oh Yeah!
Drywall is not a framing member. It is fastened to framing members.
Source: Common knoweldge. No NEC definition needed.
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