Connecting concrete encased electrode to ground rod

zelada212

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Can I connect my foundation ground to a ground rod as a bonding jumper then go from the same ground rod to the meter with a separate cable? Boss man says you can't same goes with the inspector but they can't tell me or show me why. Anyone have any information on this would gladly appreciate it I am also having trouble finding where it states you can't.
 

augie47

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A grounding electrode conductor from the service the UFER ground then a jumper to a ground rod ? Correct
 

LarryFine

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Welcome to the forum.

Rods only require #6 cu, but the foundation requires larger. If you use the larger the whole way, you can do it.
 

kwired

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Welcome to the forum.

Rods only require #6 cu, but the foundation requires larger. If you use the larger the whole way, you can do it.
Really depends on size of service conductors, either could be smaller if small enough service conductors, but also a little rare to see anything but 6 run to a rod or pipe and 4 run to a CEE - neither one is ever required by NEC to be larger than those two sizes.
 

acin

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pacific grove california
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general building contractor est.1984 . C 10 elec. lic.as of 8 / 7/ 2020
Can I connect my foundation ground to a ground rod as a bonding jumper then go from the same ground rod to the meter with a separate cable? Boss man says you can't same goes with the inspector but they can't tell me or show me why. Anyone have any information on this would gladly appreciate it I am also having trouble finding where it states you can't.
i think if you have a CCE you dont need a ground rod
 

Buck Parrish

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NC & IN
Can I connect my foundation ground to a ground rod as a bonding jumper then go from the same ground rod to the meter with a separate cable? Boss man says you can't same goes with the inspector but they can't tell me or show me why. Anyone have any information on this would gladly appreciate it I am also having trouble finding where it states you can't.
I have done what you are describing when my ufer was cut short by copper thieves. I installed a grd rod, clamped my short CEE to it with an acorn clamp, then went to the meter via an additional acorn ground clamp and another wire.
230.64 requires the GEC to be continuous or spliced with irreversible connectors or welded .
In my case the inspector said it looked okay.
 

infinity

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230.64 requires the GEC to be continuous or spliced with irreversible connectors or welded .
In my case the inspector said it looked okay.
In your case the GEC went to the rod and a bonding jumper went to the CEE which is code compliant. The GEC would need to be sized for the CEE.
 

roger

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Can I connect my foundation ground to a ground rod as a bonding jumper then go from the same ground rod to the meter with a separate cable? Boss man says you can't same goes with the inspector but they can't tell me or show me why. Anyone have any information on this would gladly appreciate it I am also having trouble finding where it states you can't.
As Infinity states, the GEC is the conductor to the first electrode, after that all others can be jumped together making sure they are correctly sized back to the first.

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