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What's happening here is no different than the work that goes on in most factories in my area. They may or may not have a lisenced guy on staff but the bulk of the work is done by unlisenced people. Why not the vendor? If the company is gullable enough to get taken here then they should part with large sums of money.
 
Q1:
Does anyone think a licensed electrician is required to remove/reinstall a cb for testing?

I'm not discussing the requirements for a local/state business license.

Q2: Is a licensed electrician required the overhaul a cb - change contacts, springs, tulips, setup timing, clean, lubricate?

No, neither of these questions is about your 20A CH in a QO panel:)

The reason I'm asking, is some of the posts appear to consider this type of work to require a COF holder.

carl
 
mdshunk said:
When I was rolling through a town the other day that requires their own license, I noticed a "Square D Service" truck hauling in injection test equipment into a large building. I'm sure not a soul on that truck had that town's license. QUOTE]

I am sure that the techs doing the injection testing are not certified to do that type of testing either.
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zog said:
... I am sure that the techs doing the injection testing are not certified to do that type of testing either.
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zog -
Certified by who? Is this a regulatory issue?

For example, Where I live, state law says (paraphrased) work subject to the NEC requires a COF (licensed electrician). Maintenance - which generally includes component testing and rebuild - does not.

JAO
Wouldn't the mfg be in a excellent position to certify their techs? They should have the most detailed knowledge about their product.

carl
 
Certified by NETA or NECA. They do acceptance testing following the manufactures testing and find problems quite often. I dont think the techs are the problem, the manufactures testing procedures are not very comprehensive. Many of the tests are factory tests, not field tests, the equipment may be damaged during shipping or installed improperly.

Many new installations now require NETA testing in the specs as an independent (From manufactures) 3rd party test that is typically subcontracted by the electrical contractors.
 
coulter said:
Q1: Does anyone think a licensed electrician is required to remove/reinstall a cb for testing?
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Yes, I do.

Q2: Is a licensed electrician required the overhaul a cb - change contacts, springs, tulips, setup timing, clean, lubricate?
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No, I don't.

No, neither of these questions is about your 20A CH in a QO panel:)
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CH in a QO panel??? :-?
 
I think if we all take a deep breath and relax then we can either agree or agree to disagree. If we are talking about something that can be opened and racked out by qualified maintenanance personel I think that most facilities would allow factory reps(techs) to work on/ test said equipment and then allow previously mentioned qualified maintenance personel to rack back in and close?
That said. Why couldn't the same set of people do the same thing with a properly loto piece of bolted equipment no matter size and/or voltage?
 
LarryFine said:
...CH in a QO panel??? :-?
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Larry -

Mildly humorous oxymoron saying I was discussing larger CBs, generally rackouts, since these were the most likely type to have this sort of testing.

carl
 
Ahhhhhhh-Huhhhhhhhhh (deep breath)

aja21 -
I'm agreeing with you.
aja21 said:
... If we are talking about something that can be opened and racked out by qualified maintenanance personel...
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Yes
aja21 said:
...most facilities would allow factory reps(techs) to work on/ test said equipment and then allow previously mentioned qualified maintenance personel to rack back in and close?...
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Most of the places I have worked do that. Absolutely I think the maintenance personel should be qualified - Paraphrasing from a faulty memory (OSHA 1910.3xx ??):
1A. Understand the job
1B. Trained in the required skills
2. Understand the hazards involved
3A. Understand the practices necessary to mitigate the hazards.
3B. Trained in the skills necessary to mitigate the hazards.
aja21 said:
...That said. Why couldn't the same set of people do the same thing with a properly loto piece of bolted equipment no matter size and/or voltage?
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Probably no reason why they couldn't. No regulatory reason I know of.

Just an Observation:
It seems that the majority of the personnel trained to unbolt/remove a 480V, 1000A, molded case, cb are licensed electricians. Contrast this with maintenance on a 13.8kV, SF6, 1200A cb. Usually that is done by a factory trained tech - may not be an electrician.

carl
 
Let me play devil's advocte.What about all the employees of licensed electricians making all their installs NOT "under the direct supervision of the license holder" or worse, licensed master electricians who rent out their license to non-electrician contractors?
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
Let me play devil's advocte.What about all the employees of licensed electricians making all their installs NOT "under the direct supervision of the license holder" or worse, licensed master electricians who rent out their license to non-electrician contractors?
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Both are illegal practices in my neck of the woods. I understand that Florida must permit the "license rental" thing to occur, as I regularly see Florida license holders trawling the net to "qualify" people to do electrical installs under their license.
 
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