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benaround said:
Bob,

The definition in 550 for Moble home, does not call it a dwelling UNIT,

it just says 'dwelling'.

Frank your right it does not say unit.

I don't see what difference it makes.

When the NEC mentions multifamily dwellings they do not tack on 'unit' either.

Mobile Home. A factory-assembled structure or structures transportable in one or more sections that is built on a permanent chassis and designed to be used as a dwelling...

The job trailers I see where never designed to be a dwelling.
 
David I am not so sure it is a loop hole.

dnem said:
I don't see any reason to treat one job trailer differently than another just because it started its life designed as a dwelling. The atoms that travel down the grounding wire don't know that the job trailer was originally designed to be a dwelling.

Perhaps the difference is this, a mobile home is built under certain standards (Is it HUD?) designed to work hand in hand with Article 550.

When we say 'job trailer' that can in my experience range from a shipping container dropped on the ground and provided with simple lighting and power to quite elaborate multi section fully finished trailers that have bathrooms, offices, conference rooms etc.

The standards they are built under may not be the same as the standards mobile homes are built under.

Now, that said, it could be just loop hole. :)

It matters little as the way we supply them would meet the requirements in 550 or 225.30.

By the way, while we are talking about it the number of supplies is often a problem.

A typical 3 section office trailer takes three - 100 amp supplies. :p
 
Now I have 2 questions. I have 2 trailers to provide power to. The panel for the one is on the inside and the other is on the outside. My feeders will originate out of the same panel.

Under definition of Feeder Assembly the distribution panelboard is within the mobile home.

So does this mean that the one is to be treated as a Manufactured Home and the other is not.

It is obvious the one isn't because there is no panelboard within the trailer.

Other than that; they are both Identical as far as I can tell.
:?
Is anyone going to try to tell me I have to apply 550 for anything here? :?
 
Gentlemen, I went into the job trailer at work today and looked at all the stickers at the electrical panel.

It is listed not as a Mobile Home but it is listed as a "Manufactured Building"

So IMO we need to look at Article 545
 
lets not get to crazy here, we are talking about a temporary jobsite trailor,
nobody is living or sleeping in it, if the feeder is ok and it is grounded properly and there is no life saftey issues, pass it and move on
 
I can?t speek for the rest of these here United States but if you live and contract in the Great state of North Carolina here are the requirements of

APPENDIX C
CONVERSION OF MANUFACTURED HOME TO OCCUPANCY
OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING
Manufactured homes are constructed in compliance with Federal Standards, specifically Part 3280, Manufactured Home Construction and Safety Standards. Section 5 3280.1 of this document indicates that manufactured homes are to be used exclusively as dwelling units. The Manufactured Building Division frequently receives inquiries concerning the use of a
manufactured home as a sales office, beauty salon, or other type of commercial occupancy for which the home was clearly not designed. All commercial buildings in North Carolina are required to conform to the requirements of applicable volumes of the North Carolina State Building Code -- NC Building Code, NC Accessibility Code, NC Plumbing Code, NC
Mechanical Code, NC Electrical Code, NC Fuel Gas Code (if applicable), Modular Construction Regulations (if applicable), and the NC Energy Code. One and two family dwellings and townhouses must comply with the NC Residential Code, NC Plumbing Code, NC Mechanical Code, NC Electrical Code, and NC Fuel Gas Code, (vapplicable). Since
manufactured homes are constructed to Federal Standards rather than the North Carolina State Building Code, use of these homes without modfication for other than dwelling units is prohibited.
The above restriction notwithstanding, if a manufactured home owner wishes to upgrade his or her home such that it meets the provisions of all applicable volumes of the North Carolina State Building Code, this modification will be permitted. The upgraded unit, no longer considered a manufactured home, will be acceptable for the commercial occupancy to which it has been modified. The following steps must be followed in carrying out the upgrade:
1. A professional engineer or architect, currently registered in North Carolina, must be retained to inspect the unit for evaluation of the existing structural, plumbing, mechanical, and electrical systems. This evaluation will determine whether these systems meet all applicable standards in the North Carolina State Building Code for the intended occupancy. If any part of a system is not compliant, the engineer or architect must determine what corrective measures will be required to bring the unit into compliance with current Code standards. This procedure will normally require portions of the walls, ceilings,
andor floors to be removed in order to facilitate an adequate inspection. From this inspection and evaluation the engineer or architect must produce a summav list indicating which items meet current Code requirements and which items must be modified for Code compliance.
2. All items that are not in compliance with current applicable Code volumes must be modified in accordance with the engineer or architect's specific instructions. All such corrective work must be inspected by the engineer or architectprior to being covered with finished wall, ceiling, or floor material.
3. The engineer or architect must also evaluate the foundation system for the unit to determine if it meets North Carolina State Building Code requirements for the intended occupancy. If the foundation is inadequate, necessary modifications must be specified and inspected after completion by the engineer or architect.
4. All accessibility requirements for the intended occupancy must be provided in accordance with the NC Accessibility Code, current edition
5. When all required modifications to the building, including the foundation, have been completed, the engineer or architect must provide sealed documentation to the local building official certifying the he or she has personally inspected all the work and has determined that the building now meets all current requirements of the North Carolina State Building Code for the intended occupancy.
When the above steps are properly completed, a local building official may accept the upgraded manufactured home for use as a commercial occupancy.

:)
 
All,

Manafactured Building, designed to be installed on a permanent foundation

Mobile Home,Manafactured Home; Built on a chassis.

FYI
 
benaround said:
All,

Manafactured Building, designed to be installed on a permanent foundation

Mobile Home,Manafactured Home; Built on a chassis.

FYI

Not quite, a "Manufactured Building" does not require a permanent foundation.

545.3
Manufactured Building. Any building that is of closed construction and is made or assembled in manufacturing facilities on or off the building site for installation, or for assembly and installation on the building site, other than manufactured homes, mobile homes, park trailers, or recreational vehicles
 
Will the real 'service' please stand up?

Will the real 'service' please stand up?

The other item that must be considered is if this is a service or not.
It is only a service if there is a meter on this single installation and that meter results in a bill being paid to some utility. (e.g. a temporary power pole)

If this is a trailer that is being fed from the jobsite power distribution system, this is not a service and must be installed as per 250.30.

Eric Stromberg, P.E.
 
Sorry but I am still unsure of what a dwelling unit has to do with it in the article 550.4 it says not intended as dwelling also in 550.10 chapter it says mobile and manufactured homes and the feeders are for the mobile office the service is at the temporary pool. So the trailer would be sub feed from the main service. So does it meet the intent of the code to use that section or not and do you think it would require an insulated ground according to 550.33 (A)? Thanks for all your in put thus far. :lol:
 
ronbannon said:
Sorry but I am still unsure of what a dwelling unit has to do with it in the article 550.4 it says not intended as dwelling.

550.4 does say not intended as dwelling. :)

But.....

It is referencing a "Mobile Home" that is not intended as a dwelling unit.

Was this trailer built to be a mobile home and later converted to a job trailer?

If the answer is no than 550 does not apply, look in 545 Manufactured Buildings.
 
I went to 545 and still have a hard time relating this section.
I looked in the hand book and the note at 545.1 scope gives the difference of manufactured home and manufactured building. Manufactured homes are built on a chassis and manufactured building is not built on a chassis.
In the interim I e-mailed Tim Croushore at NFPA and the answer I got back was if the mobile home is being used as a temporary office trailer than it would require an insulated ground.
 
Maybe what has happened here is the "job trailer" has fallen inbetween the cracks.

I have always wired/supplied job trailer according to Chapters 1-4. I believe in the scheme of things, it is sufficient to supply a jobtrailer with an uninsulated equipment ground conductor, as most jobtrailers are around for 3 or less years.

What might be interesting is how do we handle some of these trailers that are installed as semi-permanent buildings... they are wired and are around for a long time. They have kitchens, baths, etc...??????
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Maybe what has happened here is the "job trailer" has fallen inbetween the cracks.

I don;'t think they have, I looked at the tags on the job trailer on the site I am working.

The tags on the electric panel say it is a "Manufactured Building"

IMO that clearly means article 545.
 
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