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iwire said:
The outlet in this case would be the end of the cord. Outlets do not have to be a 'box'.
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X2- an outlet is defined as any point along the wiring system in which current is taken. Definition for premises wiring system in art 100 includes the word "temporary" ( meaning, imo, ext cords and other things outside of boxes and fixed traditional wiring are covered) - so ext cord (which is temporary) end sans the cap is outlet and the female cap at end of ext cord would qualify as a receptacle.
 
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iwire said:
For sure it is



The outlet in this case would be the end of the cord. Outlets do not have to be a 'box'.
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If so, the 'receptacle' end of an extension cord, per 406.2 (A), must be listed and marked with the manufacturer's name or identification and voltage and amperage ratings.

I don't think I have ever seen the female end of an extension cord, that which is attempting to be called a receptacle, marked with all the above info.
So, either 99+ percent of extension cords are violating the NEC

-OR-

they are not covered by the NEC.

So, what's it going to be? It can't be both.
 
RB1 said:
Is a cord connector body a receptacle?
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K8MHZ said:
If so, the 'receptacle' end of an extension cord, per 406.2 (A), must be listed and marked with the manufacturer's name or identification and voltage and amperage ratings.

I don't think I have ever seen the female end of an extension cord, that which is attempting to be called a receptacle, marked with all the above info.
So, either 99+ percent of extension cords are violating the NEC

-OR-

they are not covered by the NEC.

So, what's it going to be? It can't be both.
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The OP question, as stated, doesn't have enough information to answer your question. We need to know who assembled the cord cap on the cord. Was this done by the manufacturer of a "cord set" or was this an electrician putting together something like a pendant?

Manufactured or field assembled? That is the question. Then we can choose to use UL 62 -OR- UL 817 which, in their Scopes say whether the NEC applies or not.

There is a great thead on the subject you can read by clicking here.

The OP question really is whether the NEC applies, and whether the definition of Article 100 "Receptacle" fits, or whether the cord cap female contact device is defined elsewhere.
 
al hildenbrand said:
The OP question, as stated, doesn't have enough information to answer your question. We need to know who assembled the cord cap on the cord. Was this done by the manufacturer of a "cord set" or was this an electrician putting together something like a pendant?

Manufactured or field assembled? That is the question. Then we can choose to use UL 62 -OR- UL 817 which, in their Scopes say whether the NEC applies or not.

There is a great thead on the subject you can read by clicking here.

The OP question really is whether the NEC applies, and whether the definition of Article 100 "Receptacle" fits, or whether the cord cap female contact device is defined elsewhere.
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Clicked on the link and so it appears that the NEC will only, thru certain narrow definitions, might allow a female cap to be called a receptacle.

That is an excellent link btw with lots of good discussion, and hopefully the op will be back to click on it.
 
K8MHZ said:
If so, the 'receptacle' end of an extension cord, per 406.2 (A), must be listed and marked with the manufacturer's name or identification and voltage and amperage ratings.

I don't think I have ever seen the female end of an extension cord, that which is attempting to be called a receptacle, marked with all the above info.
So, either 99+ percent of extension cords are violating the NEC

-OR-

they are not covered by the NEC.

So, what's it going to be? It can't be both.
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First, I don't see extension cords as covered by the NEC as they are used, not installed.

Second even if the cords are covered, in general manufactured products, are considered suitable for use under the rules of the NEC if they are listed products.

Third, all of the field installed cord caps that I have seen have the required markings.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
First, I don't see extension cords as covered by the NEC as they are used, not installed.

Second even if the cords are covered, in general manufactured products, are considered suitable for use under the rules of the NEC if they are listed products.

Third, all of the field installed cord caps that I have seen have the required markings.
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I am with you, but the original question was, is a cord connector body a receptacle?

I still say no. Receptacles are covered in 406.2 through 5, 406.6 covers cord connectors. They have similar requirements, but are not the same thing.

For instance, 406.4 requires receptacles to be mounted in boxes or assemblies designed for the purpose. How can you mount a cord connector body IN a cord?
 
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So if I install a cord pendent with female cord connector in a wet location 210.8 does not apply?

I can't agree with that.
 
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K8MHZ said:
I am with you, but the original question was, is a cord connector body a receptacle?

I still say no.
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iwire said:
So if I install a cord pendent in a wet location 210.8 does not apply?
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K8MHZ said:
You lost me there....what has this got to do with the OP's question?
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210.8 (A) & (B) applies to "receptacles". If the cord cap can't be a "receptacle", and it is the only thing at the end of a dedicated branch circuit ending in a pendant that a piece of utilization equipment plugs into, you have just said that the cord cap doesn't need GFCI in locations specified in 210.8.
 
al hildenbrand said:
210.8 (A) & (B) applies to "receptacles". If the cord cap can't be a "receptacle", and it is the only thing at the end of a dedicated branch circuit ending in a pendant that a piece of utilization equipment plugs into, you have just said that the cord cap doesn't need GFCI in locations specified in 210.8.
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Due to the distinction made between receptacles and cord caps in 406, a valid argument could be made to that effect. Otherwise, the language would read 'receptacles, cord caps and attachment plugs', would it not?
 
K8MHZ said:
Due to the distinction made between receptacles and cord caps in 406, a valid argument could be made to that effect. Otherwise, the language would read 'receptacles, cord caps and attachment plugs', would it not?
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You may have just started a trend to place pendant outlets in all sorts of places in order to avoid having to provide GFCI protection, possibly even avoid TR requirements as well as WPIU covers:happyyes:

I don't think it will change any AFCI requirements though.:(
 
K8MHZ said:
. . . is a cord connector body a receptacle?

I still say no. Receptacles are covered in 406.2 through 5, 406.6 covers cord connectors. They have similar requirements, but are not the same thing.

For instance, 406.4 requires receptacles to be mounted in boxes or assemblies designed for the purpose. How can you mount a cord connector body IN a cord?
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I am having trouble interpreting your NEC citations. There is no 406.2(A), 406.6 is about faceplates, and 406.4 is really big. . . Are you quoting the 2014, and what are the words you are quoting in the context of the passage?

K8MHZ said:
Due to the distinction made between receptacles and cord caps in 406, a valid argument could be made to that effect. Otherwise, the language would read 'receptacles, cord caps and attachment plugs', would it not?
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I believe that the first sentence of the Article 100 Definitions passage for Receptacle diffuses your entire argument.
2014 NEC
Article 100 Definitions
Receptacle. A receptacle is a contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug. . . .
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I don't include the next two sentences of the definition because they describe contact device(s) on a yoke, which is not the what the OP is asking about.

In the case of a branch circuit that ends at a cord connector (what I have been calling a "cord cap"), on the end of a flexible cord pendant, one finds that the cord connector IS a "contact device" "for the connection of an attachment plug," AND, being at the end of the field assembled branch circuit, IS the Outlet.

Q.E.D.
 
al hildenbrand said:
I am having trouble interpreting your NEC citations. There is no 406.2(A), 406.6 is about faceplates, and 406.4 is really big. . . Are you quoting the 2014, and what are the words you are quoting in the context of the passage?



I believe that the first sentence of the Article 100 Definitions passage for Receptacle diffuses your entire argument.

I don't include the next two sentences of the definition because they describe contact device(s) on a yoke, which is not the what the OP is asking about.

In the case of a branch circuit that ends at a cord connector (what I have been calling a "cord cap"), on the end of a flexible cord pendant, one finds that the cord connector IS a "contact device" "for the connection of an attachment plug," AND, being at the end of the field assembled branch circuit, IS the Outlet.

Q.E.D.
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Sorry, I was using the 2008, which just happened to be right next to me. We are still on 2011, at least for a few more days, anyway.

It sounds like they changed 406 quite a bit, which I didn't realize.

I guess I have some catching up to do...
 
iwire said:
So if I install a cord pendent with female cord connector in a wet location 210.8 does not apply?

I can't agree with that.
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Don't know about 210.8- but:

From the 2014-

210.50(A):

"A ​cord connector that is supplied by a permanently installed cord pendant shall be considered a receptacle outlet."
 
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