Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
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websparky
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
The spacing of the receptacles is independent of the garage. If the garage has a receptacle in it or not, the space is not considered nor is the receptacle counted as one of the required countertop ones.
Exactly.
The spacing of the receptacles is independent of the garage. If the garage has a receptacle in it or not, the space is not considered nor is the receptacle counted as one of the required countertop ones.
jwelectric
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
Note that the relief to install a receptacle 12 inches below the countertop found in 210.52(C)(5)is for (1) Construction for the physically impaired and (2) On island and peninsular countertops where the countertop is flat across its entire surface (no backsplashes, dividers, etc.)
This is not allowed to be done in the cabinet in front of an appliance garage nor are we allowed to install a receptacle in the face-up position.
So now just how do you intend on installing this receptacle?
[ December 02, 2005, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
Then show code to back up you call.
The receptacles are installed in the wall as the code states in wall space.
Note that the relief to install a receptacle 12 inches below the countertop found in 210.52(C)(5)is for (1) Construction for the physically impaired and (2) On island and peninsular countertops where the countertop is flat across its entire surface (no backsplashes, dividers, etc.)
This is not allowed to be done in the cabinet in front of an appliance garage nor are we allowed to install a receptacle in the face-up position.
So now just how do you intend on installing this receptacle?
[ December 02, 2005, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
be located above, but not more than 500 mm (20 in.) above,
the countertop. Receptacle outlets rendered not readily accessible
by appliances fastened in place, appliance garages,
sinks, or rangetops as covered in 210.52(C)(1), Exception,
or appliances occupying dedicated space shall not be considered
as these required outlets.
Exception to (5): To comply with the conditions specified in
(1) or (2), receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be
mounted not more than 300 mm (12 in.) below the countertop.
Receptacles mounted below a countertop in accordance
with this exception shall not be located where the
countertop extends more than 150 mm (6 in.) beyond its
support base.
(5) Receptacle Outlet Location. Receptacle outlets shallOriginally posted by jwelectric:
Then show code to back up you call
This is not allowed to be done in the cabinet in front of an appliance garage nor are we allowed to install a receptacle in the face-up position.
So now just how do you intend on installing this receptacle?
be located above, but not more than 500 mm (20 in.) above,
the countertop. Receptacle outlets rendered not readily accessible
by appliances fastened in place, appliance garages,
sinks, or rangetops as covered in 210.52(C)(1), Exception,
or appliances occupying dedicated space shall not be considered
as these required outlets.
Exception to (5): To comply with the conditions specified in
(1) or (2), receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be
mounted not more than 300 mm (12 in.) below the countertop.
Receptacles mounted below a countertop in accordance
with this exception shall not be located where the
countertop extends more than 150 mm (6 in.) beyond its
support base.
websparky
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
Even if you are thinking of a garage that is as high as the upper cabinet and completely separates the counter/wall space with the exception of the small amount of counter in front of the garage, then there is still no problem as long as the outlets are 48" apart maximum.
No, read what I said again. The garage's placement does not effect the outlet placement, therefore there isn't a space wider than 24".
Even if you are thinking of a garage that is as high as the upper cabinet and completely separates the counter/wall space with the exception of the small amount of counter in front of the garage, then there is still no problem as long as the outlets are 48" apart maximum.
jwelectric
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
[ December 02, 2005, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
Why did you leave out the rest of the section that would told you how to install 12 inches below the countertop?
You can't just start installing receptacles anywhere 12 inches below the countertop that you decide would be a good place to install one. You need to read the whole section.
[ December 02, 2005, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
allenwayne
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
I want to know who sits and comes up with these an%l subjects
I want to know who sits and comes up with these an%l subjects
jimwalker
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
Allen thats all true but do not forget that the outlets in the garage do not count as serving the counter top.
Allen thats all true but do not forget that the outlets in the garage do not count as serving the counter top.
electricmanscott
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
Since your measurement is based on wall counter space there is no need to have a receptacle in front of an appliance garage if it's two feet or twenty. It is not wall space. The measurement is not based on depth. It is based on width along the wall line.
Since your measurement is based on wall counter space there is no need to have a receptacle in front of an appliance garage if it's two feet or twenty. It is not wall space. The measurement is not based on depth. It is based on width along the wall line.
LarryFine
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
I agree with Scott, and my take is that the nearest receptacle on each side of the garage need only be within 12 inches of it, no matter how wide it is.
In other words, the counter space in front of the garage does not require a receptacle, because the garage itself renders that space not along the wall.
[ December 03, 2005, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: LarryFine ]
I agree with Scott, and my take is that the nearest receptacle on each side of the garage need only be within 12 inches of it, no matter how wide it is.
In other words, the counter space in front of the garage does not require a receptacle, because the garage itself renders that space not along the wall.
[ December 03, 2005, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: LarryFine ]
jimwalker
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Re: Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens
"I agree with Scott, and my take is that the nearest receptacle on each side of the garage need only be within 12 inches of it, no matter how wide it is."
I must ask how you figure 12 inches.I agrre on his opinion that the space in front would not count but then that would mean that i could go as far as 24 inches from the garage to first receptacle.
"I agree with Scott, and my take is that the nearest receptacle on each side of the garage need only be within 12 inches of it, no matter how wide it is."
I must ask how you figure 12 inches.I agrre on his opinion that the space in front would not count but then that would mean that i could go as far as 24 inches from the garage to first receptacle.
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