Customer needs sconces switchable from 3 locations

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6 can lights total. Light 1, light2, light 4, controlled from first switch. Light 1, light2, light3 controlled by second switch . Only Light 4 controlled by 3rd switch. Any help on this one greatly appreciated the . Need relay of some kind, Right? Customer is willing to pay what's needed to make this happen.

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6 can lights total. Light 1, light2, light 4, controlled from first switch. Light 1, light2, light3 controlled by second switch . Only Light 4 controlled by 3rd switch. Any help on this one greatly appreciated the . Need relay of some kind, Right? Customer is willing to pay what's needed to make this happen.

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More information is needed, mainly what lights need to be switched together, and from how many locations. You say 6 can lights but make no mention of lights 5 and 6. Could you provide some more detailed information?

Using 3 and 4 way switches will probably be the easiest way to go, no relays needed.
 
JFletcher said:
More information is needed, mainly what lights need to be switched together, and from how many locations. You say 6 can lights but make no mention of lights 5 and 6. Could you provide some more detailed information?

Using 3 and 4 way switches will probably be the easiest way to go, no relays needed.
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Except that conventional 3-way and 4-way switches will not allow single switches at different locations to control different subsets of lights.
All they can do is allow on-off control of the same group of lights from multiple locations.

As described in the OP, if S1 is used to turn on 1, 2, and 3 and then S2 is used to turn off 1 and 2 it will leave 3 on and also turn on 4.
Even with momentary contact controlled relays that would require diodes on a DC control net or multiple contacts on each switch or a PLC to implement.
 
Nathan68 said:
6 can lights total. Light 1, light2, light 4, controlled from first switch. Light 1, light2, light3 controlled by second switch . Only Light 4 controlled by 3rd switch. Any help on this one greatly appreciated the . Need relay of some kind, Right? Customer is willing to pay what's needed to make this happen.
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I think you would need more than one switch at each location. Lights 1&2 controlled by 2 ea. three way switches Light 4 controlled by 2 ea. three ways switches. Light three by a seperate single pole switch and 5&6 by whatever they want.

But Fletcher is right that you need to give more information. My advice is to draw it out on paper and see what works.

If he is willing to pay it can be done. If he insist on only one switch at each location then a PLC may be the best choice.
 
Nathan68 said:
6 can lights total. Light 1, light2, light 4, controlled from first switch. Light 1, light2, light3 controlled by second switch . Only Light 4 controlled by 3rd switch. Any help on this one greatly appreciated the . Need relay of some kind, Right? Customer is willing to pay what's needed to make this happen.

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Small PLC with momentary three position switches as input devices. Center position held. Sw 1 up turns outputs 1,2,4 On. Down turns them Off. Repeat with the additional I/O just as you have it written. One output for each fixture, two inputs for each switch.

Headed now to the deep, dark, dank basement just to try this out. Cept I'll probably use an HMI, in place of the switches.

edit: There is a bunch of other misc stuff in the detail.
 
JFletcher said:
More information is needed, mainly what lights need to be switched together, and from how many locations. You say 6 can lights but make no mention of lights 5 and 6. Could you provide some more detailed information?

Using 3 and 4 way switches will probably be the easiest way to go, no relays needed.
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Thanks jfletcher. Here are some details that will clarify. Combination of can lights and sconces. 1488369389122.jpg

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You need to use a Lutron system with a keypad. You install Maestro type switches and then the keypad gets programmed to control the lighting as you wish. Call Lutron they will set you up with part numbers etc.
 
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Thanks jfletcher. Here are some details that will clarify. Combination of can lights and sconces. View attachment 16912

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If you are doing what I think you are doing, you either need some relays, solid state logic relays, or even just some multipole switches and a little know how to draw up the logic needed.
 
We did the same thing in a masdter bedroom. We had chandelier, 3 rows of track - 2 switches, uplights and sconces. We put in a table top unit by the night table and added a keypad. All the switches were hidden in a closet area. We also added a remote switch.

Now then can turn on any combination of lights that they want and from the bedside they can do the same. There is also an all on and all off control on the keypad.
 
If they want a complex control scheme then they better be willing to pay for it. There is a reason handyman Joe can't figure out how to make it work the way they want it to.:happyyes:
 
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The original post and #6 do not provide a clear definition of the desired logic.

From post #1
6 can lights total. Light 1, light2, light 4, controlled from first switch. Light 1, light2, light3 controlled by second switch . Only Light 4 controlled by 3rd switch.
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What is the definition of "switch"? I am reading this as singular. Then I make the assumption that this single switch is a SPDT center off with spring return to center.

Still from post #1.

All lights 1, 2, .... 4 are simultaneously turned on or off from switch A no matter what their previous state was.

All lights 1, 2, 3 .... are simultaneously turned on or off from switch B no matter what their previous state was.

Light ................ 4 is ....................... turned on or off from switch C no matter what its previous state was.

There are no lights 5 or 6.

This is an application for GE RR relays with appropriate logic. With reasonable probability they will have 50 year life even with most lightning storms.


From post #6 things have changed some.

All lights 1, 2, ... 4 ........ are simultaneously turned on or off from switch A no matter what their previous state was.

All lights 1, 2, ........ 5, 6 are simultaneously turned on or off from switch B no matter what their previous state was.

Light .................... 5 ... is turned on or off from switch C no matter what its previous state was.

Light ............ 3 ........... is not switched.

The only way to switch light 4 is from switch A, and light 6 from switch B, and light 3 can not be switched.


We need an accurate definition of the required logic.

Note: it is not necessary that the on and off function from a specific switch be the same for both on and off.

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ptonsparky:

Light 6 in your drawing needs to be transitional for ON and OUT needs to change to SET.

I believe light 4 is only controlled by one switch in post #6.

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kwired said:
If you are doing what I think you are doing, you either need some relays, solid state logic relays, or even just some multipole switches and a little know how to draw up the logic needed.
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Why do that when there are ready made lighting control systems available? :huh:
 
Lutron Graffik Eye with keypads will allow you to select scenes or zones of light control. Expensive but should do what you want.
 
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