Customer needs sconces switchable from 3 locations

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Nathan68 said:
6 can lights total. Light 1, light2, light 4, controlled from first switch. Light 1, light2, light3 controlled by second switch . Only Light 4 controlled by 3rd switch. Any help on this one greatly appreciated the . Need relay of some kind, Right? Customer is willing to pay what's needed to make this happen.
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nLight.
get addressable can lights. they make nice LED ones.
i'm assuming each of those lighting scenes you want
controlled from a separate location.

put a switch wherever you want one. if you want more
than one scene at a location, get a control with multiple
buttons for that location.

use the free software and program it.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
We did the same thing in a masdter bedroom. We had chandelier, 3 rows of track - 2 switches, uplights and sconces. We put in a table top unit by the night table and added a keypad. All the switches were hidden in a closet area. We also added a remote switch.

Now then can turn on any combination of lights that they want and from the bedside they can do the same. There is also an all on and all off control on the keypad.
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thanks for your help. Lutron wireless control modules installed by each light, with PJ2 push button switches on wall, seem like my best option.

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The big advantage with using addressable lamps is that the built-in LED ballast receives AC power directly as if they were bulbs on a ceiling fan. Any remote management is done directly at each ballast.

Lutron makes a remote that works with several different addressable lamps, so presumably you use three of those so lamps 1, 2 responds to remote A and B. 3 to B only. 4 to C only. I haven't been around them long enough to know if they're reliable as wired DALI equivalent.
 
kwired said:
If you are doing what I think you are doing, you either need some relays, solid state logic relays, or even just some multipole switches and a little know how to draw up the logic needed.
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peter d said:
Why do that when there are ready made lighting control systems available? :huh:
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In that case someone else already done "that" and you installed their baby, still needed some more complex controls then a simple switch or two.
 
Call Doug 1615-263-2000 he can program you a smart switch that works off your house neutral. It's a decora style switch that wires like a regular switch. He can basically program it to override the 4th light and still allow it to come on with the other 2 from a different switch. This guy has allowed us to switch items in homes that I didn't know was possible.
 
Use two 2-pole toggle switches and a 1-pole toggle switch. Wire the first pole of each of the 2-pole switches in parallel to control L1, L2. Wire the second pole of first switch to control L3. Wire the second pole of the second switch to control L5, L6. Wire the 1pole switch to control L4. I'm assuming the lights are on one circuit or things might get messy with hots and neutrals.
 
Welp. I left out the most important piece. The big advantage of using addressable lamps is that the each bulb receives utility power directly and the dimming is done at individual L.E.D. ballast so you eliminate dimmer incompatibility issues and usually less ballast buzzing.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
You need to use a Lutron system with a keypad. You install Maestro type switches and then the keypad gets programmed to control the lighting as you wish. Call Lutron they will set you up with part numbers etc.
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Absolutely! Lurton will make you look like a professional genius. Much better than some homemade lashup that will be hard for others to support.
 
jsteed said:
Use two 2-pole toggle switches and a 1-pole toggle switch. Wire the first pole of each of the 2-pole switches in parallel to control L1, L2. Wire the second pole of first switch to control L3. Wire the second pole of the second switch to control L5, L6. Wire the 1pole switch to control L4. I'm assuming the lights are on one circuit or things might get messy with hots and neutrals.
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I think that you must have missed the point where the customer wants to be able to turn the appropriate lights either ON or OFF from each location, regardless of the current state of the switches and lights.
 
Nathan68 said:
Thanks jfletcher. Here are some details that will clarify. Combination of can lights and sconces. View attachment 16912

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Im sure there are fancy, programmable ways of doing that switching, but it's also possible with using just standard switches and some 3 ways:

Switch position #1: Three gang box, 2 3 way switches for lights #1 and #2, snap switch to light #4, 2 sets of travellers run to switch position #3
Switch position #2: Single gang box with 3 way for light #5, 1 set of travellers run to switch position #3.
Switch position #3: Four gang box with 3 3 ways for lights 1, 2, and 5, snap switch to light #6.

No idea how to do it with programming, tho if the controls are field programmable, any changes in switching scheme would seem to be a LOT easier to accomplish than changing a ton of wiring.

Just curious, why does the customer want the lights switched this way? are those 6 lights drawn anywhere to scale or is the numbering and 2 x 3 layout just for ease of showing how they are requesting to be switched?
 
Missed the edit time; I was assuming there were/are 3 switching locations. Is that correct or is there just one location and the customer wants 3 switches total to do everything mentioned in post #6? If the latter, I admit that's above my level of knowledge.
 
Missed the edit time; I was assuming there were/are 3 switching locations. Is that correct or is there just one location and the customer wants 3 switches total to do everything mentioned in post #6? If the latter, I admit that's above my level of knowledge.

eta: if using a programmable setup, what would keep you from having paralleled circuit conductors to say light #1 if switches 1 and 3 were both on? and if all 6 lights were to be controlled from one location, why not just run 6 gang (or 2 3's) box with 6 single switches? Would a programmable system be cheaper than 6 individual switch legs? Do 3 more switches make any real difference?
 
JFletcher said:
Missed the edit time; I was assuming there were/are 3 switching locations. Is that correct or is there just one location and the customer wants 3 switches total to do everything mentioned in post #6? If the latter, I admit that's above my level of knowledge.

eta: if using a programmable setup, what would keep you from having paralleled circuit conductors to say light #1 if switches 1 and 3 were both on? and if all 6 lights were to be controlled from one location, why not just run 6 gang (or 2 3's) box with 6 single switches? Would a programmable system be cheaper than 6 individual switch legs? Do 3 more switches make any real difference?
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The three more switches make a difference to the owner and cheaper wasn't an issue. The PLC based system I drew out is probably cheaper than the Lutron and adding all On/Off is not an effort. The control the owner wants could not be done with three switches without additional help from latching relays. Well, I can't anyway.
 
kwired said:
If you are doing what I think you are doing, you either need some relays, solid state logic relays, or even just some multipole switches and a little know how to draw up the logic needed.
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I called lutron. Their system would work with wreless prorammable controls and a relay ar each light . but I convinced customer to control these lights in a bank of three standard rocker switches. Customer has two bathrooms he wanted north, south wall plus center light controlled in different combinations.
 
Nathan68 said:
I called lutron. Their system would work with wreless prorammable controls and a relay ar each light . but I convinced customer to control these lights in a bank of three standard rocker switches. Customer has two bathrooms he wanted north, south wall plus center light controlled in different combinations.
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6 standard rockerswitches
 
Nathan68 said:
6 standard rockerswitches
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If the control is all from one location and it is not a 1000+ square foot room seems like that would be simplest and least expensive most cases, and would seldom if ever need any maintenance. But if your customer is into "gadgets" then don't disappoint them.
 
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