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according to the revision of Art.406.8(b)(1) and (2) it states damp or wet locations,(indoor or outdoors) receptacles must provide weather proof protection with or without an attachment plug.. Must be in one of those bulky bubble box. Now a bathroom is a damp location, so is a countertop receptacle. I can't see this really being implemented. Has anyone installed a bubble cover on a countertop or in a bathroom?


Can I get an A-men?
 
iwire said:
Well I would say that per 100 a bathroom receptacle is not in a damp location.
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A-men

(I need to appease the forum Gods and add some filler...amen)
 
Based on the last sentence in Section 410.4(D), some AHJ may include receptacles installed in this "zone" even though it only applies to luminaires.
 
bphgravity said:
Based on the last sentence in Section 410.4(D), some AHJ may include receptacles installed in this "zone" even though it only applies to luminaires.
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If we are going to pull articles out of our hats and try and apply them where we want, why not just say a bathroom needs explosion proof...alotta methane/sulpher? in there!
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I agree!

I just completed my 100th continuing education hour this past month. Over 20 hours have been on 2005 code changes. Every time this change in 410.4(D) is mentioned, someone brings up receptacles in bathrooms. Many of these seminars are attended by fellow code officials and electrcial design professionals so I assume this issue is on their mind.

Then there is the whole weather resistant receptacle proposal for the 2008 NEC again leading some to believe receptacles used in any location that may even remotely get wet or damp require somesort of protection.

I think somethings are going to far...
 
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Damp or Wet

Art. 406.8 (heading) Damp or wet location. Goes on to state (b)(2)(c) Bathtub And Shower space..I understand its referring where in the bathroom a recept. may not be placed but is not a shower part of a bathroom..an area including a basin with 1 or more of the following:toilet,tub or shower. Well in my bathroom it gets pretty damp especially in the winter and with all the steam.

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AE-29 said:
Now a bathroom is a damp location, so is a countertop receptacle.
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The only place I've ever seen a bathroom receptacle warranting a damp rating, was at spring break in college, & that was the last time, I can remember peeing in the sink.
So if you watch your aim, in your house, then I don't see the damp rating applying this time.
 
Read 406.8(C) Bathtub and Shower Space.

Now, if you want to put bubble covers in your bathroom...there's only one thing stopping you...
 
Lets see if i got this right.The shower/tub area is a damp location.2 inches just outside of this damp area i place a receptacle and it is in a dry location.Must be magic.Some one needs to tell my mirror that its not damp.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Lets see if i got this right.The shower/tub area is a damp location.2 inches just outside of this damp area i place a receptacle and it is in a dry location.Must be magic.Some one needs to tell my mirror that its not damp.
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Have your mirror read Article 100.
 
77401 said:
The only place I've ever seen a bathroom receptacle warranting a damp rating, was at spring break in college, & that was the last time, I can remember peeing in the sink.
So if you watch your aim, in your house, then I don't see the damp rating applying this time.
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Now thats a warped mind at work
 
How we get off on these discussions is beyond me. 406.8(A)....in a location protected from the weather.....406.8(B)(1).....receptecals installed outdoors....

In Article 100 "Location, Damp......include partically protected locations under canopies, marquees, roofed open porches, and like locations, and interior locations subject to moderare degrees of moisture, such as some basements, some barns, and some cold-storage warehouses.

I don't see bathroom in there anywhere.

I've said it before, we have enough to call without reading to much into some of these code sections or just making stuff up.
 
cowboyjwc said:
How we get off on these discussions is beyond me. 406.8(A)....in a location protected from the weather.....406.8(B)(1).....receptecals installed outdoors....

In Article 100 "Location, Damp......include partically protected locations under canopies, marquees, roofed open porches, and like locations, and interior locations subject to moderare degrees of moisture, such as some basements, some barns, and some cold-storage warehouses.

I don't see bathroom in there anywhere.

I've said it before, we have enough to call without reading to much into some of these code sections or just making stuff up.
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Its coveref under the nasty word "such as"
We are told that the shower/tub area is damp, how can you go from damp to dry with no wall or anything except an nec fine line that says your now dry.We can put an outlet 1 inch from that bath tub and its fine but put a hot tub next to it and we have violation.Must be that some water is wetter than other water.
 
I didn't say it made sense. I said don't read to much into it.

How many of you were making them put GFCI's next to the laundry sink prior to it being required in the 2005 NEC? Was it a good idea? Never said it wasn't, but it wasn't required either. It didn't say wet bar sink until a couple of cycles ago.

A guy called me the other day and was worried because a 20 year old pool light box was only 4 inches above the deck. I said that if you measure from the water level the box is the required 8 inches. He used the new definition for his argument that it's measured from the top of the coping. I said the box is still 4 inches above the water level. Again he came back with what if it over flows?. If it over flows enough that you have 4" of water on a flat deck surface then you've got other problems and if that's the kind of logic we are going to use then why aren't all the outlets in your house GFCI in case the water gets 12" deep?

Common sense used to be more common.
 
cowboyjwc said:
I didn't say it made sense. I said don't read to much into it.

How many of you were making them put GFCI's next to the laundry sink prior to it being required in the 2005 NEC? Was it a good idea? Never said it wasn't, but it wasn't required either. It didn't say wet bar sink until a couple of cycles ago.

A guy called me the other day and was worried because a 20 year old pool light box was only 4 inches above the deck. I said that if you measure from the water level the box is the required 8 inches. He used the new definition for his argument that it's measured from the top of the coping. I said the box is still 4 inches above the water level. Again he came back with what if it over flows?. If it over flows enough that you have 4" of water on a flat deck surface then you've got other problems and if that's the kind of logic we are going to use then why aren't all the outlets in your house GFCI in case the water gets 12" deep?

Common sense used to be more common.
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Give Jim a break he thinks a cabinet is a wall.
 
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