Defining the terms "Estimate" and "Bid"

[Mule]

Looking at the estimate I can see it going to cost between $5300 and $6300 and take between 4 and 5 days to run new feeder cable, panel and kitchen remodel.

Ok, so what's covered by the estimate? If there is a set of plans then you can reference the scope of work to drawings provided but with no plans a detailed scope of work should be included.

Scope of work: How many new 20 Amp. circuits are they getting?
How many range circuits?
How many appliances?
How many light fixtures and type and who pays for them?
How many receptacles and switches?

Who is to disconnect circuits for demo work? What's included in the $2100-2300 materials? Any ceiling fans or chandeliers? Any range hoods or kitchen ventilations fans? Who is responsible for hauling way the trash and debris? Does the price cover permit fees and what type of warranty is the customer getting?

Even with T&M you need to set some sort of parameters for the work?

There is a dwg and I have it.....the estimate is based on the dwg, I should have referenced it....my bad it shows all quanities of devices, lightning, switching, appliances...everything

He is furnishing all fixtrs that are surface mount, including UC lighting. I am furnishing recessed cans

 

[Mule]

Even this isn't specific enough.

How big is a crew? How many hours in a day?

When you show up at 10 AM after spending a a few hours nmaking a list and rounding up materials, Does the HO know he was payiing you since 7?

Too much room for misunderstandings.

You forgot....What time do I go to the bathroom and what color of toilet paper do they furnish?

Im not wiring a hi-rise bldg....this is a trailer house out in the boonies..:grin:

He's got a dwg and Im producing needed wiring to install as per the dwg....Its pretty simple....got a dwg, got a code book, got a time line, a customer and an electrician that have discussed the details...Guys I assure none of the contractors around operate like this.....maybe the union shop, but that would be all. And I bet they go out on small jobs on a verbal.

Not complaining at all, you guys are just trying to help....:grin:

 

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There is a dwg and I have it.....the estimate is based on the dwg, I should have referenced it....my bad it shows all quanities of devices, lightning, switching, appliances...everything

He is furnishing all fixtrs that are surface mount, including UC lighting. I am furnishing recessed cans

With a drawing that has everything on it why are you going for T&M and not just a straight bid.

 

[Mule]

With a drawing that has everything on it why are you going for T&M and not just a straight bid.

This will flip your lid for sure...........

Because I think its the best honest value for both parties at hand..............

 

[triplstep]

With a drawing that has everything on it why are you going for T&M and not just a straight bid

This will flip your lid for sure...........

Because I think its the best honest value for both parties at hand..............

Mule I don't understand. This thread starts with you asking for advice, like so many of your threads, and continues with you creaming the guys for what they offer. This was an informative thread, as usual. However, when you don't receive affirmation for how you turn your world, you hate on the advice.

Im not wiring a hi-rise bldg....this is a trailer house out in the boonies
Guys I assure none of the contractors around operate like this

You haven't learned, since last fall, when you took your ball and bat and went home.

Even this isn't specific enough.

Too much room for misunderstandings.

You forgot....What time do I go to the bathroom and what color of toilet paper do they furnish?

I think the answer to the riddle is "toilet paper not needed, he's a full mule"

 

[Rewire]

Mule I don't understand. This thread starts with you asking for advice, like so many of your threads, and continues with you creaming the guys for what they offer. This was an informative thread, as usual. However, when you don't receive affirmation for how you turn your world, you hate on the advice. "

So I am not the only one who has noticed this.

 

[aline]

Originally Posted by Rewire
With a drawing that has everything on it why are you going for T&M and not just a straight bid.

This will flip your lid for sure...........

Because I think its the best honest value for both parties at hand..............

So the faster and more efficiently you complete the job the more you save the customer and the less you make.

On the other hand the slower and less efficiently you complete the job the more it costs the customer and the more you make.

So you get rewarded for being slow and inefficient but penalized for being fast and efficient.

That doesn't sound like the best honest value for both parties to me.

I'd hate to go to a restuarant and have to pay more because the waitress was slow and inefficient.

 

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What time do I go to the bathroom and what color of toilet paper do they furnish?

Don't be stupid. Defining a "day" or "crew" are a normal and logical questions. Having an understanding who pays for time spent off site is also important. My guess is that you never even considered this and you figure it's only fair if you do it on your own time.

How ever you want to run your "business" is your choice but when you come to someone for advice, don't be so quick to dismiss it.

So I am not the only one who has noticed this.

Mule may be the only one not to notice this.

I am beginning to see the old lady's point of view. :grin:

 

[Mule]

You guys just dont like it when some one doesnt agree with you. I have repeatedly offered polite disagreements, but some of you cant take it. So a select few of you just keep hammering and hammering.....In truth, you find it fun or fullfilling to beat up on someone, and Im stupid for hanging in there with you IMO................. On occassion I think your honestly trying to help me, but often my opinion is changed by your hatefull sarcasims.

The beginning of this thread had no verbage about asking for advice.In fact It was intended to get a good cross the country opinion about the definitions for everyone. It was a thread meant to create discussion about defining the differences of estimates and bids, nothing more. I did however post a sample of my estimates, fully knowing what you would do....DUH.. But I thought what the heck, I'll be the guiny pig here, but that was a mistake. It's like a small pack of wolves looking for a lame calf with nothing else better to do. If you notice there were others who thought it was ok with a small change or two. But no, ...now your making damaging remarks that are just plain cruel IMO.

Honestly guys, Im just here for the fellowship among electricians....and yes I did leave a while back, and its always because of a select few with a proud streak running up their back that feel better when the bring some one else down. Seriously Im talking about 4 or 5 of you...It's like it gives you power or something to pick on someone. One of those such guys has been banned, and it wasnt because he was a bad or good electrician, or a bad or good EC, it was because he had a attitude a couldnt control his tounge. So with me, I wont roll over with your attitudes.. Again this thread was not about me, it was about defining the terms..........And I'm still with Websters and a few of you that were open minded about it....

Carry ON...........:grin: I feel better now....

 

[Rewire]

The beginning of this thread had no verbage about asking for advice.In fact It was intended to get a good cross the country opinion about the definitions for everyone. It was a thread meant to create discussion about defining the differences of estimates and bids, nothing more.

and for almost 30 posts it was the topic

I did however post a sample of my estimates, fully knowing what you would do....DUH.. But I thought what the heck, I'll be the guiny pig here, but that was a mistake. It's like a small pack of wolves looking for a lame calf with nothing else better to do. If you notice there were others who thought it was ok with a small change or two. But no, ...now your making damaging remarks that are just plain cruel IMO.

you asked for comment

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Ok, here's a T/M estimate I spoke of the other day. Tell me what's wrong with it, and what's right with it.....

and you got it

I feel better now....

if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen..