Definition of "ASD" and other terms regarding Variable Speed Drives

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In another thread, (link) weressl said;
As I pointed out before ASD is the officially adopted acronym by IEEE.
This touched off a number of other side discussions about the "official" definition to which the following transpired:
...as a generic term for speed control devices / systems. It still does not delineate the specific method even if used in context. In other words, if the context of a discussion is AC motors and you use the term ASD, that still doesn't preclude a Varidrive (mechanical V pulley system) or Eddy Current drive / clutch.

No one is questioning what the acronym 'ASD' stands for, just what the exact definition of 'Adjustable Speed Drive' is...

The ASD, as per the IEEE decision, is to be used to identify electronic control products that vary the speed and torque characteristics of AC motors by means of adjusting frequency and voltage supply.

My purpose for all this quoting is because I did not want to further hijack that thread.

So my question for Mr. Weress; did that definition recently change? As of 2007, I had that the definition in IEEE 1566-2006 for ASD reads: "An interconnected combination of equipment that provides a means of adjusting the speed of a mechanical load coupled to a motor." That does not, to me anyway, specify AC or DC, or even mechanical vs electrical variability.

In several places they make references such as this; "This standard applies to a-c adjustable speed drive (ASD) systems ..." but in that sentence, they specifically start out by saying A-C, which delineates the term before it is used. So to that, I do concede that my statement that ASD in context to an AC motor doesn't preclude a mechanical Varidrive is apparently contrary to what IEEE is saying there. But that still doesn't look like an "official" definition, plus we have to remember, there is no "M" in IEEE, so why would they ever take mechanical devices into consideration? Am I missing something in another IEEE standard perhaps?

By the way, I also noticed that in the 2005 NEC, the term they use is "ASD" as well. But again, look at the context; National Electric Code; so they too would not be concerned for mechanical devices, and from the standpoint of an AC power distribution system, a DC drive has the same installation requirements as an AC drive. So for the purpose of this forum, being primarily a CODE related discussion, you may have a point. But I still think that for general use, I don't like using ASD because it is technically too vague.

I hope I'm not being disrespectful, I'm open to learning here because I have to do a lot of educating and I too like to use the correct terminology. Granted, IEEE is not the final word on this, but they do have clout.
 
I must confess that my use of the acronym ASD comes from my last job that I just recently left. It was for a cable manufacturer, and their big thing was what they call 'ASD/VFD cable.' I was around that for two years and just started using them interchangeably.

In retrospect, it was the marketing guys that named the cable and they don't know a darn thing about cable, electricity, or much else. They spent a couple of weeks telling customers that our cable didn't need grounded because they misunderstood something the lead engineer had told them. :)

Therefore, my mind is open to learning the correct terminology on this topic. I just need someone who already knows to enlighten me. :D
 
Jraef,

from your post:
Originally Posted by weressl View Post
The ASD, as per the IEEE decision, is to be used to identify electronic control products that vary the speed and torque characteristics of AC motors by means of adjusting frequency and voltage supply.

Thank you for referring back to IEEE.
That is a good point of reference.
I agree that their definition is very general.
I think there may be many forms of ASD type entities within that broad class.

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In another thread, (link) weressl said;
This touched off a number of other side discussions about the "official" definition to which the following transpired:


My purpose for all this quoting is because I did not want to further hijack that thread.

So my question for Mr. Weress; did that definition recently change? As of 2007, I had that the definition in IEEE 1566-2006 for ASD reads: "An interconnected combination of equipment that provides a means of adjusting the speed of a mechanical load coupled to a motor." That does not, to me anyway, specify AC or DC, or even mechanical vs electrical variability.

In several places they make references such as this; "This standard applies to a-c adjustable speed drive (ASD) systems ..." but in that sentence, they specifically start out by saying A-C, which delineates the term before it is used. So to that, I do concede that my statement that ASD in context to an AC motor doesn't preclude a mechanical Varidrive is apparently contrary to what IEEE is saying there. But that still doesn't look like an "official" definition, plus we have to remember, there is no "M" in IEEE, so why would they ever take mechanical devices into consideration? Am I missing something in another IEEE standard perhaps?

By the way, I also noticed that in the 2005 NEC, the term they use is "ASD" as well. But again, look at the context; National Electric Code; so they too would not be concerned for mechanical devices, and from the standpoint of an AC power distribution system, a DC drive has the same installation requirements as an AC drive. So for the purpose of this forum, being primarily a CODE related discussion, you may have a point. But I still think that for general use, I don't like using ASD because it is technically too vague.

I hope I'm not being disrespectful, I'm open to learning here because I have to do a lot of educating and I too like to use the correct terminology. Granted, IEEE is not the final word on this, but they do have clout.

You are correct in quoting the 1556, of which I was member of the working group. Consider that phrase as appearing under the subtitle of a specific equipment, it explains the context of ASD as used in the title. Voltage, Frequency, HP is also addressed to delimit the use of the Standard. So it is not appearing in the collective 'electrical terms and definitions' of the IEEE, if there is such a thing, but until it does it stands as the only authoritive definition of a device that controls a motor by varying the characteristics of its power supply, primarily but not only, it's frequency.

Since the IEEE is the highest level of technical organization in the US concerning electrical issues, who else would have the final world over the definition of an electrical technical term? Don't tell me politicians and 'law'makers.......:D:mad:
 
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You are correct in quoting the 1556, of which I was member of the working group. Consider that phrase as appearing under the subtitle of a specific equipment, it explains the context of ASD as used in the title. Voltage, Frequency, HP is also addressed to delimit the use of the Standard. So it is not appearing in the collective 'electrical terms and definitions' of the IEEE, if there is such a thing, but until it does it stands as the only authoritive definition of a device that controls a motor by varying the characteristics of its power supply, primarily but not only, it's frequency.

Since the IEEE is the highest level of technical organization in the US concerning electrical issues, who else would have the final world over the definition of an electrical technical term?
How does the IEEE define a Static Kramer which is also an adjustable speed drive for ac motors?
 
How does the IEEE define a Static Kramer which is also an adjustable speed drive for ac motors?

Again the 1556 addressed a specific type drive and its description and defintion does not address others. It itself refers to 100 for the standard definitions of electrical terms. 100 does not contain either ASD VFD VSD SSVSD FCD. So the only place so far is the 1566 where Adjustable Speed Drive is addressed. As I said question and argue with IEEE.
 
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