Delta wye with primary neutral landed to XO.

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You are correct it is a correct install for a green grounding conductor however it is not for a white neutral conductor.

Unless this conductor originates directly from the service point ground bus it maybe more complicated than simply changing its color.
there is the main thing I kept thinking about while reading the past few posts. As long as the source is from service panel the EGC comes from same point as the neutral. If there is GFP there also would be operational issues with a N-G connection downstream.
 
If there is a neutral on the primary side connected to the bonded X0 of the secondary you have then connected the grounded conductor to the metal case in violation of 250.24(A)(5).
If primary comes from the service equipment, other than color of insulation the EGC and/or GEC connect to same place anyway. There is no current on this conductor during normal operation as long as you don't create any parallel path to a 277 volt circuit neutral. The neutral current from the separately derived 120 volt circuits is trying to return to secondary XO, not the primary neutral.
 
If primary comes from the service equipment, other than color of insulation the EGC and/or GEC connect to same place anyway. There is no current on this conductor during normal operation as long as you don't create any parallel path to a 277 volt circuit neutral. The neutral current from the separately derived 120 volt circuits is trying to return to secondary XO, not the primary neutral.
I get all that. But if I see a white or gray conductor as in this install and it is connected to the X0 rather than directly to the EGC bus I would call this a violation. And what if there is already a wire type EGC in the raceway? Now you have 2-a white or gray and a green one. And all this is predicated on the circuit originating in service equipment and we don't know that from the OP. Bottom line it is hack and shows a lack of understanding.
 
You are correct it is a correct install for a green grounding conductor however it is not for a white neutral conductor.

Unless this conductor originates directly from the service point ground bus it maybe more complicated than simply changing its color.
If there is a neutral on the primary side connected to the bonded X0 of the secondary you have then connected the grounded conductor to the metal case in violation of 250.24(A)(5).

Yes my comment was based on the assumption that the feeder originates at the service. Im not saying it's code compliant, just that electrically it isn't unsafe and is no different, its just code "technicalities" on colors and what you call that conductor etc.
 
Yes my comment was based on the assumption that the feeder originates at the service. Im not saying it's code compliant, just that electrically it isn't unsafe and is no different, its just code "technicalities" on colors and what you call that conductor etc.
Agreed.
 
I get all that. But if I see a white or gray conductor as in this install and it is connected to the X0 rather than directly to the EGC bus I would call this a violation. And what if there is already a wire type EGC in the raceway? Now you have 2-a white or gray and a green one. And all this is predicated on the circuit originating in service equipment and we don't know that from the OP. Bottom line it is hack and shows a lack of understanding.
Again presuming originating at service equipment, only thing wrong (code violation) with it is insulation color, physically it is not going to introduce any hazards otherwise. And again the secondary neutral current isn't finding a way back to the primary source, it is seeking the secondary XO terminal. No violation in having parallel paths in the EGC network, it happens all the time. Just is redundant to have two conductors following same path.

You as an inspector sort of have to cite the violation. If it is run back to the service equipment, I wouldn't loose any sleep over it, possibly would disconnect it and cap it off at the transfomer though.
 
If they call it a neutral, they're intending it as current carrying. Calling it an EGC means something entirely different. They should not call it a neutral when referring to it. All wire is the same. It's just what is its use and what size what point A to point B. What you call it detrmines how its wired.

I would want to know where it terminates upstream. If it's a common grounding busbar, I would not care what they call it. If it terminates on an insulated neutral bar, that would be wrong and the second N to G connection for the service SDS. That would have to be removed. Where it terminates makes a difference.
 
Times occur when running the primary neutral with the hots is benificial. But I dont think this is one of those times.
 
Times occur when running the primary neutral with the hots is benificial. But I dont think this is one of those times.
Like a multi-core transformer bank with line to neutral operating individual units. To a single core three phase transformer you pretty much never need a primary neutral, just an EGC on the primary and a GEC for the secondary, one conductor can do both if done correctly.
 
No, because there are no ungrounded conductors common to both sources.

This is just like utility primaries and secondaries sharing common neutrals.
The grounding conductors are common, so there is an additional path for secondary neutral current via the primary neutral being connected to the secondary neutral. The path would include the incorrectly landed primary neutral, the system bonding jumper for the secondary, the main bonding jumper for the service, and the equipment bonding conductors and any other metallic path, such as building steel and water pipe systems that are connected to the electrical bonding system.
 
The grounding conductors are common, so there is an additional path for secondary neutral current via the primary neutral being connected to the secondary neutral. The path would include the incorrectly landed primary neutral, the system bonding jumper for the secondary, the main bonding jumper for the service, and the equipment bonding conductors and any other metallic path, such as building steel and water pipe systems that are connected to the electrical bonding system.
Move the incorrectly landed primary neutral over to the case of the transformer and now it is no longer incorrectly landed, but electrically it is still the same.
 
The grounding conductors are common, so there is an additional path for secondary neutral current via the primary neutral being connected to the secondary neutral. The path would include the incorrectly landed primary neutral, the system bonding jumper for the secondary, the main bonding jumper for the service, and the equipment bonding conductors and any other metallic path, such as building steel and water pipe systems that are connected to the electrical bonding system.
The grounding conductors are common, OP's installation there is no primary current on said conductor The primary circuit only utilizes the ungrounded conductors. Electrically (and presuming this comes from the service equipment) it is no different than running an EGC other than color of the insulation.

Secondary neutral current is seeking XO of the secondary not the primary neutral. If you interrupt the normal path but there are alternate parallel paths you can end up having current in places not expected, but the secondary needs bonded in more than one place which is typically wrong before this is even possible.
 
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