Derating service conductors

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deriw

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Running conductors from a CT cabinet to a 2000 amp service disconnect on a 120/208 wye system.
10% of the total load is fluorescent lighting. The remaining load consists of 12 0/208 motor home loads and 120 volt fan motors. Will have 3 hots and one neutral in each service pipe. Do I need to derate the conductors. 310.15 (B)(3)(a). Wasn't sure what is all considered non-linear loads.
 

Smart $

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Running conductors from a CT cabinet to a 2000 amp service disconnect on a 120/208 wye system.
10% of the total load is fluorescent lighting. The remaining load consists of 12 0/208 motor home loads and 120 volt fan motors. Will have 3 hots and one neutral in each service pipe. Do I need to derate the conductors. 310.15 (B)(3)(a). Wasn't sure what is all considered non-linear loads.
I'd say nowhere close to over 50% non-linear.

Non-linear equipment utilize active components (e.g. rectifiers, switching power supplies, pulse wave modulation supplies, etc.) rather than passive (i.e. resistive/reactive [resistors, inductors {coils, windings}, capacitors]).
 

infinity

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I agree with Smart that the majority of the load is not non-linear therefore the neutral is not considered a CCC for derating purposes.
 

infinity

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The AHJ in my area said I need to derate. I gave him the same info.

Based on the info you provided in the OP he's incorrect. This may help:

Neutral Conductors:
Here's some examples of when to count and not count the neutral as a current
carrying conductor or CCC:
3?- 208Y/120 or 480Y/277 volt system-different circuit types:
A) 2 wire circuit w/ 1 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 2 CCC's
B) 3 wire circuit w/ 2 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 3 CCC's
C) 4 wire circuit w/ 3 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 3 CCC's*
Notes:
A) A normal 2 wire circuit has equal current flowing in each of the circuit
conductors so they both count as CCC's.
B) In this circuit the neutral current will be nearly equal to the current in the
ungrounded conductors so the neutral counts as a CCC
C) In this circuit the neutral will only carry the imbalance of the current between
the three ungrounded conductors so it is not counted as a CCC, with an exception,
*if the current is more than 50% nonlinear (see below for NEC article 100
definition) then the neutral would count as a CCC.
1?- 120/240 volt system-different circuit types:
D) 2 wire circuit w/ 1 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 2 CCC's
E) 3 wire circuit w/ 2 ungrounded, 1 neutral = 2 CCC's
Notes:
D) A normal 2 wire circuit has equal current flowing in each of the circuit
conductors so they both count as CCC's.
E) In this circuit the neutral will only carry the imbalance between the two
ungrounded conductors so the neutral is not counted as a CCC.
Nonlinear Load. A load where the wave shape of the steady-state current does
not follow the wave shape of the applied voltage.
Informational Note: Electronic equipment, electronic/electric-discharge lighting,
adjustable-speed drive systems, and similar equipment may be nonlinear loads.
 
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