Determining existing loads

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mull982

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We are building a new cement plant at a location where we already have an existing cement plant in service. The new cement plant will be fed from a 230kV to 4.16kV 25MVA transformer in a utility substation which we own. The existing plant if fed from the same size transformer. I just recieved the power study for out new plant which has a calculated load of 20.8MVA at 2893A.

Management has decided that they want to build a small grinding plant at this existing location as well, and want to try to service is off of the new transformer I mentioned above. The new grinding plant will only be about 2MVA which we have room on the transformer for, however I have come to find out that the bus on the secondary side of the main trasformer in the substation is only good for 3000A. Rather than replace this existing 3000A bus with 4000A bus or bus with some other larger capacity I was looking into what options are avalialbe.

One of the possible options I came across was article 220.87 which states that you can obtain a calculated load from an existing load. In a cement plant a lot of times equipment is grossly oversized as such that we will never see the 20.8MVA calculated full load mentioned above. This article in the NEC says that you have to have trended data for a 1yr period before you can determine this existing load. Because we are looking to add this new grinding plant before this 1yr timeframe I was looking for other options.

Is there a shorter timeframe that we can meter data for once the plant is up and running? Can we use our existing plant whcih is in service and very similar to determine the existing load for our new cement plant not yet in service? Trending data for our existing plant shows consumption of about 16MVA. I'd appreciate any help.
 
Please clarify your transformer situation. It sounds as though you have a (one) main transformer in the substation with 3000A bus coming off it. You are then running to two transformers? That is, one for each cement plant. Bus voltage 4160?

Based on these assumptions, even at 16MVA trending peak per plant puts you over 4000A.
2 ? 16MVA ? (4160 ? √3) = 4441A​
 
Smart $ said:
Please clarify your transformer situation. It sounds as though you have a (one) main transformer in the substation with 3000A bus coming off it. You are then running to two transformers? That is, one for each cement plant. Bus voltage 4160?

Based on these assumptions, even at 16MVA trending peak per plant puts you over 4000A.
2 ? 16MVA ? (4160 ? √3) = 4441A​

Both of the cememnt plants have their own 230kV to 4.16kV 25MVA transformers. Therefore the existing cement plant is on its on 25MVA transformer and the new cement plant will be on its own 25MVA transformer. However off of the transformer that will feed the new cement plant we want to tap off of it to feed a new 2MVA grinding plant as well.
 
If your load does not vary based on seasons then trending even for one month should be enough.

1 year trending is desirable for loads which vary with the season.

But in any case you would have your peak demand ( say "x" mva)recorded in one of the meters at substation (primary or secondary side).

If x + 2 mva gives you a secondary current less than 2400 amps i.e at 0.8 loading then you are OK.

Calculated/Connected load and actual peak load will differ substantially.
 
mull982 said:
Is there a shorter time frame that we can meter data for once the plant is up and running? Can we use our existing plant which is in service and very similar to determine the existing load for our new cement plant not yet in service? Trending data for our existing plant shows consumption of about 16MVA. I'd appreciate any help.
220.87 Exception allows you to run a 30 day recording to determine the highest demand. I don't think 220.87 is applicable to your situation. This is normally used on existing customers with a utility demand meter to determine if the existing low voltage service is adequate for additions. If the existing plant is VERY similar, I would use the 16 mva as a basis to determine
the estimated max demand for the new I assume the new transformer is not yet in service. If so, why not increase the buss capacity
now and be done with it?
 
mull982 said:
...we want to tap off of it to feed a new 2MVA grinding plant as well.
Like bob said, the plants need to be VERY similar. 18MVA puts you at about to 2500A. That's slightly over 80% of 3000A bus, so it will depend how much of the peak load is non-continuous.
 
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