Dishwaser inspections

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Cavie said:
I require a "Lockout" on the breaker as there is no "disconect insight". They complain and try to use the "unit switch" exception but I disallow it as I have not seen a unit switch on a dishwasher in 20 years.
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ironically, I havnt seen a dishwasher ever that didnt have a device meeting the definition of 422.34...at least in a dwelling...if its got the word (off) on it, and it disconnects all ungrounded conductors, its a unit switch, it may be just one other thing (you dont agree with) but its allowed..... on a side note, what residential electrician, handyman, or homeowner will ever utilize that $3 breaker lockout? in a plant ect. yes all the time, but in a house? I never have , I do use them on water heaters and water pumps to meet code but they are impractical on a residence
 
mpd said:
jim w

my job is not to supervise, provide punchlists, or babysit, an inspection should not be scheduled until it is ready, that is the contractors job to check the job BEFORE scheduling an inspection, pemit costs pay me not re-inspects, I get paid the same for good work or bad work, if you all did great work I would still be employed
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Nobody said to do anything but inspect.If its not to code or ready then red tag it.Most places charge for reinspects so where is the problem ?
 
My DW has a "Cancel/Drain" button. there is no "OFF" I do not believe it disconects all grounded conductors. Logic tells me that it energizes a selinoid to drain???. I also do not believe in lockout breakers, but since the elcheapo electricans won't install a cord and plug, I can only read the code as I see it. (disconect within sight or lockout). The code does not make exceptions for Industrial or Residential.
 
Cavie said:
I also do not believe in lockout breakers, but since the elcheapo electricans won't install a cord and plug, I can only read the code as I see it. (disconect within sight or lockout). The code does not make exceptions for Industrial or Residential.
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Just another reason I take that little extra step to cord a dishwasher. not to mention it really is easier to install a recptacle in the wall and a cord on the dishwasher than to fight a whip of romex into the j-box of the DW after it is put in place.
 
Jim the point is that a means of disconnrct via lock out is there.Weather or not it is used would be the problem for the installer,serviceman etc.There are red lights on the roads and when someone decides to not use them the same thing could result death. Personally cord/plug is the way to go.
 
Cavie said:
They complain and try to use the "unit switch" exception but I disallow it as I have not seen a unit switch on a dishwasher in 20 years.
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My dishwasher has an "Off" position, would you fail it without a breakerlock?

I agree with SC-Wirenut, the breaker-lock is pointless in a residential setting, IMO. I install them for code's sake only.

The dishwashers are usually in the hole or on sight at time of final inspection so I require them to be installed.
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While I agree with your practice, it's not in the NEC. I think it should be added.
 
FWIW, around here most guys install a wall switch and wire dishwahsers with romex.
 
jim w whats you code reference? If the d/w is allowed by the manufacturer to be cord and pluged then whats the problem. I run 12/2 to my dw/disp outlet and split the outlet and switch the one half for the disp and always cord and plug both.
 
stew said:
jim w whats you code reference? If the d/w is allowed by the manufacturer to be cord and pluged then whats the problem. I run 12/2 to my dw/disp outlet and split the outlet and switch the one half for the disp and always cord and plug both.
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Perhaps legal but we are now using cords for fixed wiring.I look for the cheap way out and thats romex straight to the dw and a 50 cent breaker lock.Not saying that good but if i need to beat the other mans price then thats all you get.Can hook up most in less than 15 minutes.Cords cost money and so do boxes and receptacles.
 
"Perhaps legal but we are now using cords for fixed wiring."

Then what is your opinion of microwaves mounted above cooktops? Cord connected and fastened in place just like said DW.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Perhaps legal but we are now using cords for fixed wiring.I look for the cheap way out and thats romex straight to the dw and a 50 cent breaker lock.Not saying that good but if i need to beat the other mans price then thats all you get.Can hook up most in less than 15 minutes.Cords cost money and so do boxes and receptacles.
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HMMM, a box is $.26 a receptacle is $.59 cover plate $.32 cord. $3.00 for a total of $4.17 WOW having to wait for the Plumber to hook up the dishwasher Is a nusance I will pay $4.17 not to have to do. I go in find the DW and disposer put the cords on and tell the plumber , "Just plug 'em in when you hook 'em up man." so so easy and takes me less than 15 minutes. And oh yeah not perhaps legal, BUT SURELY LEGAL! not to mention much more safe.
 
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