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Nothing says you can't have a dedicated circuit in a bathroom but it's not required.All bathroom receptacles shall be gfci protected.There probably are some heath codes involved if you did.
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
Nothing says you can't have a dedicated circuit in a bathroom but it's not required.All bathroom receptacles shall be gfci protected.There probably are some heath codes involved if you did.
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I think 210.11(C)(3) requires it.

(3) Bathroom Branch Circuits . In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets.
Exception: Where the 20-ampere circuit supplies a single bathroom, outlets for other equipment within the same bathroom shall be permitted to be supplied in accordance with 210.23(A).
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I'm not sure you were refering to a dedicated circuit for a dishwaher in a bathroom in your reply but the code says you need a dedicated circuit for bathrooms. If I missed what you were trying to say, sorry.
 
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I was meaning a dedicated receptacl for any one item.Dishwasher not likely but maybe a washer.Yes bathroom receptacles are on a dedicated branch not to leave bathrooms but the choice to add a dedicated circuit for any receptacles is up to you.
 
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We use 15 amp duplex.Pigtail the disposal and dishwasher.Split the tab on the line side.We also have to use a 2 pole circuit breaker for disconnect means.That way you buy one duplex and plug in both appliances.
 
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Sam:
What about a dedicated receptacle in a bathroom?
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All bathroom receptacle's require GFCI protection. 210.8(A)(1) does not have a exception for a dedicated receptacle even if it was a single receptacle feeding a dedicated fixed in place appliance. It would still have to have GFCI protection.
 
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Basically in the 1999 code it does not matter as I would think all DW's are over 300VA or 1/8 hp so you would need a form of disconnecting means.

A switch is allowable per 422-33 but to me if the job is already done...I would simply buy a lock out device for the panel and put it on that breaker and let it go.....that meets the requirement as listed in 433-31 (b) refering to locking the breaker open.
 
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Originally posted by kpepin:
Originally posted by jimwalker:
Nothing says you can't have a dedicated circuit in a bathroom but it's not required.All bathroom receptacles shall be gfci protected.There probably are some heath codes involved if you did.
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I think 210.11(C)(3) requires it.

(3) Bathroom Branch Circuits . In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets.
Exception: Where the 20-ampere circuit supplies a single bathroom, outlets for other equipment within the same bathroom shall be permitted to be supplied in accordance with 210.23(A).
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I'm not sure you were refering to a dedicated circuit for a dishwaher in a bathroom in your reply but the code says you need a dedicated circuit for bathrooms. If I missed what you were trying to say, sorry.
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OK.....question is can you tie (2) bathrooms with a outlet in each one together.....

IN the past everyone would simply put the outside receps and bathroom recepts all on the same (1) 20 A circuit.......

So now if you read the rule on the outlet in the bathroom...is is saying you have to now have a individual 20A circuit for each bathroom....as before in the past people would tie them together and still have them on a GFCI circuit breaker.
 
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That's right Wayne. You don't get the GFI exeption for the single receptacle.

Edit: I left out "don't" and that made it backwards

[ January 09, 2005, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
 
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There are 2 seperate ways to go above lining out bathroom receptacle.

A. You can feed all of the receptacles from multiple bathrooms. Your lights are to be on with other lighting circuits. All plugs (only) on one GFCI circuit.

B. You can contain 1 circuit to each bath area. You can include all of the lights and plugs on 1 bath circuit as long as you don't leave the bath area.
 
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422.34(c)...pierre can you post that because 1999 NEC does not list this new update. Since I instruct the NEC from the 1999 which will be in effect in VA until the summer....I have alot to study before fall classes...lol....but do not see this rule in 1999 NEC on that.

Man......we can blame Mr. Holt for all these changes..lol...just kidding Mike...lol
 
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Originally posted by aelectricalman:
There are 2 seperate ways to go above lining out bathroom receptacle.

A. You can feed all of the receptacles from multiple bathrooms. Your lights are to be on with other lighting circuits. All plugs (only) on one GFCI circuit.

B. You can contain 1 circuit to each bath area. You can include all of the lights and plugs on 1 bath circuit as long as you don't leave the bath area.
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A is the option we have always done....just since I do not teach above 1999 NEC right now I was not sure that the new rule change was limiting the receptacles on bathrooms to only the (1) circuit on GFCI per bathroom and not tie them as we have in the past.....

as it is funny in 1999 NEC they list in the calculations about (1) circuit for bathrooms but not to calculate the circuit in the dwelling service calculation.....seems strange to even bring it up in the first place.....so I was not sure if the 2002 NEC addressed this and did it differently.
 
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For option B, it changed in 2005 just to clarify the intent of option B. The option didn't change.

That's right Wayne. You get the GFI exeption for the single receptacle.
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Yeah, Wayne is correct--there is no exception regarding GFI protection in bathrooms. Single receptacle or not. Whether that's the intent or not, the code is firm.

Jim is correct in his argument about adding additional circuits beyond the requirements. We just had a good discussion about this concept regarding the laundry circuit, which can be found here.

My question is, what cord & plug connected device or appliance would you install in addition to the required outlets that would challenge the existing code?
 
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lol...NEC if you look up the word Clarity..it refers you to the local AHJ ( just kidding ..lol )....when asked they say look at the NEC book...becomes what mike refers to as " The Stupid Loop "...tehheehhee
 
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I checked with codes and standards in NJ. They told me the off switch on the dishwasher is all that is needed to comply with the NEC. I will install a breaker lock for the inspector this time. I will not do it next time. I just wanted to know the right answer.
 
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