Do Electricians have the worst wired homes?

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megloff11x

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Car mechanics are often known to drive the most dilapidated duct taped & bailing wired jalopies on the road. Is the same true of Electricians and their homes? My Father was a journeyman (industrial). Our house, bought in 1949, came with a 60A service. After doubling its square footage for garages and kids, we never upgraded this.

We had two bedrooms and a kitchen wires on one 12/2, not grounded, and fused with a 30A AGC automotive type fuse, in an in-line fuse holder, residing in an open junction box and held to the wires with a modest wwrap job, no wire nut, covered in electrical tape. When an outlet used for a bedroom window air conditioner gave up the ghost, new 12/2 was similarly spliced into an existing wire run, run out the basement window, up through that bedroom window in a corner through a hole in the side panel of the window air conditioner, and cobbled on to an extension cord outlet. When window AC units were added to other rooms, the house would suffer brownouts. I think birds burned their feet on the wire coming in to the house.

After he passed away, my mother finally called in an electrician to fix the mess, but while he upgraded the service to 150A, installed central air, and fixed the most egregious things, much of the residual 50yr old wiring was left in place.

I rent a house where the living room, dining room, and kitchen are on one 15A breaker. You can't run the TV, computer, coffee maker, waffle maker, toaster, and microwave at the same time. Pick two and schedule your tasks...

When we get new people move in and buy new homes where I live now, the first or second thing they have to do is gut the electrical wiring - often stolen mine wire from back in the day. I'm told the electrical inspector in town for many years was a fired bank teller with no useful education in anything, let alone electrical stuff - but he had the right last name as did his wife so the old boy network found him something.

Anyway, do you guys keep your abodes up to snuff or do you "know what you can get away with" and postpone repairs and upgrades because you can always take care of it any time?

Matt
 

Oakey

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Location
New Jersey
My wiring is good but I still can't put on my main panel cover, waaaay to many wires. Someday I'll do that upgrade :)
 

ceknight

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megloff11x said:
Anyway, do you guys keep your abodes up to snuff or do you "know what you can get away with" and postpone repairs and upgrades because you can always take care of it any time?

Lord, what a question.... :)

I live in a 100 yr old 2-family house that we're ssslllloooowwwwlllllyyyyy converting to a single-family residence. This house has, like most old houses, been victimized by its share of improvements: original knob and tube w/ 30A per floor fuses, upgraded to 60A fuses, then tiny 60A breaker panels with 3 badly wired subpanels, the old fuse boxes used as junctions for the old circuits to feed the new panels, old black conduit and some more modern EMT in the basement. A fairly involved rewiring maybe 40 years ago that tapped a lot of that knob and tube with aluminum to feed new outlets. Bathroom "remodels" with botched wiring. Etc. Etc. Same stuff I deal with every day in other peoples' old houses, basically.

When we bought the house I cleaned up the distribution somewhat, rewired all the 1st floor recepts, and ripped out all of the 2nd-floor aluminum I could get my hands on from the attic. That made the place liveable. Now we're on a room-by-room therapy program, when we decide to do something in a particular room, everything gets redone properly -- windows, wire, pipe, ducts, etc while it's accessible.

It'll take a while at this rate, it's a huge house, but the cobbler's children are used to going barefoot. The permit on my kitchen restoration is still open, 2 years later. Bathrooms are next in line. Maybe next year....yeah, right. What's the rush? The bulbs light up when you flip the switch, after all. :)
 

infinity

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Journeyman Electrician
Not in this home. You could take a photo of the work and put it in EC&M. ;) Just the way I like to do things. But I will agree that some electricians do not want to touch a wirenut when they get home from work.

An old electrician who I've worked with in the past had his wife nag him for years to install a hallway receptacle to plug in a vacuum cleaner. One day he came home and there was a bill in the table for $200 for a new outlet. Seems his wife hired an electrician because he was too lazy or busy watching the ballgame. So yes, I can see your point but it doesn't apply universally to all of us.
 

brian john

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Location
Leesburg, VA
Well the electrical inspector looked at me during the close in inspection and shook his head and said, "Only in an electrician?s house".

Fused Mains
Multiple Sub Panels with feeders in conduit
MC Cable.
All branch circuit wiring at floor level, (below sleeping head level) assuming this might be better for possible EMF exposure.
All Branch Circuits GFCI (pre AFCI)
Low voltage lighting controls.

During final inspection I FAILED the inspection, seems that one of my employees was short a GFCI circuit breaker, so he put in a standard CB to get the final (without telling me), it was on the circuit for the deck receptacles. I was embarrassed, and mad.
 

tallgirl

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Glendale, WI
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Controls Systems firmware engineer
I follow the Camper's Creed when I work on my own house -- "Leave it better than when you found it." Which, as much of a mess the wiring in this house is, isn't that hard to do.

I'm planning to repaint the entire house this year and one thing I plan to do is unstab all of the switches and receptacles and see if that helps with some of the light dimming and voltage drop problems I've been having.
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
I'll show my cards:

What your are looking at is the #8's from the load side of my 50A FPE Main....they enter this KO and goto a backfed 50A CB in a 200A panel with a 200A MCB.
Is it "safe"?
Yes
Is it legal?
Let's not even open that can of worms!
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Here is a shot looking at the new panel.
You can see the #8's coming in the side there....next to the water lineson the right, a small wall will be built there - not because it has to be, but because I want it to be ~ if that water line or the filters should ever burst(that is an exterior wall in the basement) I don't my panel getting wet. In addition to that planned wall, the water line was relocated from directly over the panel to a location 4' out from the face of the panel - not a code requirement, but I strongly dislike water dripping onto a panel or person working on the panel.
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Now for your amusement is the "transition area".
In the top left of the picture are 4 runs of 3/4" EMT that goto a 12x12 JB. This is not by any means a requirement - it is for me. The panel is completely wired, every breaker (with the exception of the 50A backfed CB and the 200A MCB) has wires landed on them. I have taken the liberty of determining that when I gut the kitchen, all I will need to do is run 1 3/4" conduit to that area (in the basement) and then run up to the kitchen locations with romex...easy as pie. For my AC needs, same thing, 1 3/4" EMT from the JB to the disco...done...easy as pie. Same for when I finish the basement....2 3/4" EMTs ~ one east/west on south side; one east/west on north side both from the JB....done...easy as pie. There will be plenty of "extra room" in these conduits should I decide to add any exterior landscape lighting/recpts in the backyard area.
Having that JB there...and a plan...will make my future plans a breeze.

That entire wall where the meter and 50A FPE MCB are will be demoed...all that will remain will be the sump pit and pump below ~ you can just make out the pumps piping in the lower left...and you need to stand on the pit's cover to read the meter; and a central vac on yet another wall that needs to be built ~ extended from just right of the that grey pipe on the right (from the gutters/leaders).

Is it pretty...no, it's an ugly duckling...soon to be a swan.
Is it legal...not yet, but the foundation is in place.
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So to answer your question:
Do Electricians have the worst wired homes?
Yes...
...but we are no worse off than the cobbler's kids.
 

dduffee260

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Location
Texas
We bought another house about a year ago. We had a void spot at the time so myself and some other employee rewired it. I went ahead and did a Cadillac of a job with a network center, sound, data and everything. Since we did a full remodel before we moved in I thought that there would never be a better time to go completly through the whole house.

So to answer your question. No, our house is up to code in all ways, a 3 phase 200 amp service with 2 panels, we have a 3 phase AC, and all new wiring throughout.

I am not going to mention that it took me 8 months to put the cover on the main panel, only bcause we were having a baby shower in it that weekend. But the wiring does look good in it, like all our projects look.
 

ryan_618

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The house I live in now is new, so it is OK. I'll telly you that the last house I owned (built is 1976) had about 10 receptacles that didn't work. I lived in the house for about 4 years, fixed everything in the house you can think of, and only fixed that circuit when I was selling the house and the buyer made me fix it. :)
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
dduffee260 said:
I am not going to mention that it took me 8 months to put the cover on the main panel, only bcause we were having a baby shower in it that weekend.
That must have been some cover to hold all those people... :D :D







(This ones for me....)
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celtic

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Location
NJ
georgestolz said:
Celtic, LOL. :D

I too plead the fifth. I do much better work when I'm on the clock. :D
LOL

Someday, it will be up to "on the clock" standards ;) ...the truly funny part is ~ I pulled a permit for this service upgrade in May of '04 !
 

emahler

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i'm of the "i don't want to see a wirenut when i'm not working" camp...temporarily permanent is what i like to call it...some days, i switch it up with permanently temporary...
 

realolman

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You must have some house. Why do you have 3 phase in your house? A 20 hp pump on your hot tub?:smile:


I don't know how this got here ... I thought I was putting it after the post from the guy who has 3 phase in his house.... I'm in here for being nuts... not stupid... well maybe both ...
 
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celtic

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NJ
emahler said:
...temporarily permanent is what i like to call it......

That's a common phrase on the railroad...they had items temp/perm for over 15 years! That's a bit excessive especially when it things like a pigtail socket used as a fuse holder...one leg to the line on a main, the other to the load.
 

George Stolz

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realolman said:
I don't know how this got here ... I thought I was putting it after the post from the guy who has 3 phase in his house...
I do that a lot - I click on the
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button from the main screen, and if enough people have posted since you've been in last, then it will start you out a page or two from the last page of the thread. :)

I've posted replies to comments days late, totally out of the current conversation before. :D
 

peter d

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Location
New England
Hmmm......let's see.....


In my own home, I have:

knob and tube.
most of the lights operate by pull chain or turn-switch on the light canopy.
15 amp circuits feeding the kitchen
no outlet in the master bath
no phone or cable lines on the 2nd floor


I did make some improvements though. I replaced the 10 circuit GE panel with a Homeline panel (but with no AFCI's!!!! HA HA) and added 2 WP outdoor recepts on a 20 amp circuit so I can cut the hedge without 200' feet of cord (the hedge wraps around the yard).

I still haven't finished the wiring for the generator that I started last summer.
 
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