Do these labor units seem low?

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AC\DC

Senior Member
Location
Florence,Oregon,Lane
Occupation
EC

This if for a post I made about a 80kw gen install on residential home. None NECA labor rate.​

Project Tasks Breakdown:​

1. Generator Installation​

  • Task: Setting up the 80 kW, 240 Volt diesel generator.
  • Estimated Hours: 10 hours
  • Labor Cost: 10 hours * $97.50/hour = $975

2. 400 Amp Main Breaker Disconnect Installation​

  • Task: Installing the 400 Amp main breaker disconnect next to the generator.
  • Estimated Hours: 8 hours
  • Labor Cost: 8 hours * $97.50/hour = $780

3. Trenching and Conduit Installation​

  • Task: Digging a 230-foot trench (24" deep) and installing 230 feet of 4" Schedule 40 PVC conduit.
  • Estimated Hours: 20 hours
  • Labor Cost: 20 hours * $97.50/hour = $1,950

4. Pulling and Installing Wire (300 KCMIL Aluminum XHHW)​

  • Task: Pulling and installing 920 feet of 300 KCMIL aluminum XHHW wire through the conduit.
  • Estimated Hours: 20 hours
  • Labor Cost: 20 hours * $97.50/hour = $1,950

5. Automatic Transfer Switch (ATS) Installation​

  • Task: Installing the 400 Amp Kohler ATS and making necessary connections to the power company J-box and house wiring.
  • Estimated Hours: 12 hours
  • Labor Cost: 12 hours * $97.50/hour = $1,170

6. Connecting to Power Company J-Box and House Wiring​

  • Task: Running 15 feet of wire from the ATS to the power company J-box and house wiring.
  • Estimated Hours: 5 hours
  • Labor Cost: 5 hours * $97.50/hour = $487.50

7. Miscellaneous Tasks and Setup​

  • Task: Miscellaneous tasks including setup, testing, and final adjustments.
  • Estimated Hours: 5 hours
  • Labor Cost: 5 hours * $97.50/hour = $487.50

Total Labor Hours and Costs​

  • Total Estimated Hours: 80 hours
  • Total Labor Cost: $7,800

Materials Cost Breakdown​

  1. 400 Amp Main Breaker Disconnect: $1,500
  2. 400 Amp ATS (Kohler): $4,000
  3. 4" Schedule 40 PVC Conduit:
    • Price per foot: $5
    • Total Length: 230 feet
    • Total Cost: $1,150
  4. 300 KCMIL Aluminum XHHW Wire:
    • Price per foot: $2.50
    • Total Length: 230 feet x 4 conductors = 920 feet
    • Total Cost: $2,300
  5. Miscellaneous Materials (connectors, grounding, etc.): $500

Additional Costs​

  • Permit Fee: $250

Total Estimated Cost​

  • Materials: $9,700
  • Labor: $7,800
  • Permit: $250
  • Total Cost Before Profit: $17,750

Adding 10% Profit​

  • Profit: $1,775
  • Total Cost Including Profit: $17,750 + $1,775 = $19,525

Final Summary​

  • Generator Installation: $975 (labor)
  • Main Breaker Disconnect Installation: $780 (labor)
  • Trenching and Conduit Installation: $1,950 (labor)
  • Wire Pulling and Installation: $1,950 (labor)
  • ATS Installation: $1,170 (labor)
  • Connecting to Power Company J-Box and House Wiring: $487.50 (labor)
  • Miscellaneous Tasks: $487.50 (labor)
  • Total Labor Cost: $7,800
  • Total Material Cost: $9,700
  • Permit Fee: $250
  • Profit (10%): $1,775
  • Total Project Cost: $19,525
 
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AC\DC

Senior Member
Location
Florence,Oregon,Lane
Occupation
EC
$75 without burdens. It could be lower. Trying to get enough revenue to higher a Well paid J-man so he can be my right hand so you got to pay more to get them.
Never done a gen this size
I can adjust pay scale.
but the Labor rate is what I am working about.
 
brantmacga

brantmacga

Señor Member
Location
Georgia
Occupation
Former Child
items 1-3 look low on labor units. Trenching is 30% off if you're planning to compact your backfill. I'd add 15-20% on items 1-2. Profit is low for a service job.
 
Seven-Delta-FortyOne

Seven-Delta-FortyOne

Goin’ Down In Flames........
Location
Humboldt
Occupation
EC and GC
I’m not sure where you’re at, but, for example, 4” pvc in my area is $6.28/ft, before tax (10%) and markup.

Im not seeing any overhead accounted for anywhere. At $97.50/hr, you’re probably covering labor and labor burden, but no profit on the crew. Not worth it to run crew if you’re not making something on them.

I know costs are high as giraffe nuts where I am in far northern Cali, but just my OH is almost $50/hour. I’m at $160/hr for labor with labor burden, OH, and profit all rolled together. And I need to raise it again.

And I markup materials as well.
 
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AC\DC

Senior Member
Location
Florence,Oregon,Lane
Occupation
EC
4.98 here. burdens around 30-40$ of wage. wages around here $55 - for 71.5-77. 20 percent overhead put them at 92.4 and then add profit on that with 20 percent on that. My normal t$m rate is 150- but I can't bid jobs at that I would never get any.

I was always under assumption you charge more for smaller jobs and once there past a threshold you can charge less if your using labor units cause those are worse case scenario. Unless crap goes south this job should take half that time.

I was happy now you made me sad :cry:
 
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AC\DC

Senior Member
Location
Florence,Oregon,Lane
Occupation
EC
Well she parked at gc price for concrete and shed building.
Now after a month she calls and tell me to meet her gc that is 1/3 the price and tell him what needs to be done and he will do the cutting and plumbing.

also instead of a mechanic like we originally planned out there to help start this used unit. She said the owner will help me with start up I case a mechanic issue. So far this seems like I should jump on this job. I hate losing a job but with a new gc I don’t know and her husband trying to commission unit with me some starting to taste bad
 
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Hv&Lv

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Engineer/Technician
I didn’t see a "rock clause", but then again I don’t know the soil conditions on the other side of the country.
 
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