Does this question really have an answer?

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Dennis Alwon

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This is no doubt a bad question because we all know we can have a 40 amp breaker on a 15 amp circuit in some scenarios. Since they are not asking for allowable ampacity of the conductors then there is no real answer. I am not sure even why this questioned was asked. It's not even a trick question. :D
 

Rockyd

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15 is the answer, got to the next question. Logic? 240.4 (d) 05nec:)! 15 is the smallest common breaker, and unless it breaks 9 wires (CCC's), most of the time, your good to go. It's a test question, figure you have 1 minute to read and answer each question on the first pass. If you can't make over 70% on that first pass, odds are not good. By the time you start your second pass through the test, you will have lost up to 5 minutes additional per question. Knowing needed a 70% on a test per section, would go to 75% on the test, then go to the next section.

Tests are revenue enhancers in a lot of areas. Think about some of the questions they ask. I normally shoot for a test score of 85 to 94%.

I wish they actually had a physical part for testing. Couple of three ways, with a four way in between. Hook up a motor controller, and a three phase transformer(25KW so it's small wire, want to see if you know how, not wrestle wire). Have a piece of AC present that is going to be installed into receptacle box ( want to see an anti-short installed). Bend some pipe (1/2" and 2") with something like a 90 and a 4 inch kick, not terribly hard, just a journeyman like things we have to do in the field.

Make the whole test six hours, for written (100 questions - 33 general knowledge, 33 theory and elementary calculations, 33 code, 1 for getting your name on the paper) and physical. have to get a 72% percent on both ends to pass.

Your score would be given to you as soon as you are done. First, it gives you chance to challenge. Second, whatever you miss, you now have an opportunty to see what defficiencies are holding you back. Third, you know you're walking away with a piece of paper that means something:)

/rant off>
 

Dennis Alwon

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15 is the answer, got to the next question. Logic? 240.4 (d) 05nec:)! 15 is the smallest common breaker, and unless it breaks 9 wires (CCC's), most of the time, your good to go.

The question doesn't ask breaker size it states ocp. Perhaps they make 17.5 amp fuses.
 

Rockyd

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But you can only test for standard qualities in a test seeking standard answers. Does not meet the bar to get outside of frivolous ...court adjourned !
 

Dennis Alwon

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But you can only test for standard qualities in a test seeking standard answers. Does not meet the bar to get outside of frivolous ...court adjourned !

I know I am just joking about how silly the question is. If they want a theoretical answer then 17.5 but it isn't correct either in some case I can use OCP 300 percent larger than required.
 

Rockyd

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And hence my rant!!!

Maybe I'm off the deep end, but would like to see a big dose of reality wash over the industry about once a year:D!
 

Inspectorcliff

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This is no doubt a bad question 8.) The maximum allowable overcurrent protection for four 14/2 NM cables installed in contact with thermal insulation without maintaining spacing between cables is, because we all know we can have a 40 amp breaker on a 15 amp circuit in some scenarios. Since they are not asking for allowable ampacity of the conductors then there is no real answer. I am not sure even why this questioned was asked. It's not even a trick question. :D

I was taught that the only bad question, was the one that wasn't asked. I am sure that some people have a hard time and like to dream up stuff, but the answer to the question has been stated in the forum at least 4 times, if my memory serves me correctly. And if it doesn't, its ok, I have a reference book, it is called the N.E.C. 08, I can surely find the answer in there in article 240. Have a good dream Dennis.
 
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