double tapping on 2 pole breakers

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LarryFine said:
Can't you also copy and paste almost any image into the forum response box like I do on the computer?

Touch the image for a second, select 'copy', tap in whatever the box looks like on a phone, select 'paste'.
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I don't know.
I don't use a PC, only my phone.

I have 3 laptops, but my wife commandeered them all for her Youtube stuff 😣😆😆😆
 
roger said:
There is nothing wrong with splicing or pigtailing wires in a panel. Now if we are talking about wires too small for the breaker size splicing would not be an option anyways.
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Sounds good. But makes me think about how we size and layout required circuits, It's like we throw all that out the window.
Splicing kitchen small appliance circuits with lets say garage or bath or lighting, etc. But I agree.
Brings to mind a panel I opened up last year that has quite a few spliced circuits.
 
Well...is circuit breaker type surge protector at the bottom of photo 1?...if so, at least one double tap was caused when someone decided they had to have a circuit breaker type surge protector. That would lead me to believe that at least one of the double taps may be overloaded.
 
I see the mismatched wire sizing
I don't think SquareD makes a QO quad.

Might need to use tandems on single pole circuits to make room for more 2-pole breakers
 
James L said:
I see the mismatched wire sizing
I don't think SquareD makes a QO quad.

Might need to use tandems on single pole circuits to make room for more 2-pole breakers
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I'd vote for getting rid of the surge protector, that gets rid of one double tap, and fitting some tandems and cleaning the rest up. If you really really want a surge protector, you can also make it external and not panel mounted.
 
tthh said:
I'd vote for getting rid of the surge protector, that gets rid of one double tap, and fitting some tandems and cleaning the rest up. If you really really want a surge protector, you can also make it external and not panel mounted.
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Thanks, I didn't give you another photo of the panel, it's all filled with tandems already.
 
Stevenfyeager said:
Thanks ! There is another issue, she doesn't think the seller will let another person in to look, the sale is not going well, she may lose the sale anyway.
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Looks like the same size wire to me.
Its worked fine apparently. I’m with infinity on this one. Pigtails..
 
Those breakers are rated for two wires per lug. I don't know about the loads they are serving but, at least on SP breakers, SqD breakers allow two wires.
 
brantmacga said:
The breakers pictured have a single tap lug. I’m almost certain anything over 30A is only rated for a single conductor.


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Nope. ABOVE 30A it is single conductors. 10 to 30A QO breaker lugs are rated for 2 conductors per terminal.

Installation sheet for QO breakers

Most home inspectors are unaware of this fact and tag the panels as improper. They are incorrect, this is a non-issue.
 
The other thing to note is the inspector said the panel was already loaded with tandems. And, the added surge protector. That all indicates the panel has been added to over time. If it were my house, I'd be concerned that the panel has been added to enough without a proper overall analysis and that should be done.
 
What loads are these supplying and what is breaker setting?

As mentioned QO breakers over 30 amps have different terminal type and are not rated for more than one conductor on the terminal.

If one had say a cooktop and an oven they could possibly be on same circuit. However if you had say a 40 amp breaker and 8 to one and 10 to the other, you still have overcurrent protection issues with the 10AWG. Proper way to do that is run 40 amp conductor and make tap at the appliance location(s).
 
Jraef said:
Nope. ABOVE 30A it is single conductors. 10 to 30A QO breaker lugs are rated for 2 conductors per terminal.
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We can't see the breaker ratings in the photo, but are you saying that the visible portion of the lug in the photo isn't enough to differentiate between the two styles?

Judging by the apparent size of the #10 conductor on the surge protector, the breakers in question have #8s or larger going to them, which would suggest they are 40A or above.

Cheers, Wayne
 
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