chuck@apsinc.biz
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Is there a code that says you have to lable a normal receptacle as GFI protected if it is connected down stream of a GFI receptacle?
Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
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southernboys
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
I want to say yes but I cant find the code.
I want to say yes but I cant find the code.
paul
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
110.3.B
110.3.B
southernboys
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
thanks paul no wonder I couldnt find code I was looking under gfi rules
thanks paul no wonder I couldnt find code I was looking under gfi rules
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
So do all GFCI receptacles contain instructions that state that downstream receptacles must be labeled?
So do all GFCI receptacles contain instructions that state that downstream receptacles must be labeled?
websparky
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
Also look at 406.3(D)(3)(c)!
Also look at 406.3(D)(3)(c)!
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
The original question called for a "normal" receptacle. I don't think that a 2 prong receptacle is a normal receptacle so 406.3(D)(3)(c) doesn't apply to the original question.
IMO the sticker is not required if the GFCI feeds a duplex receptacle.
110.3.B would only apply if the manufacturer said that it's required as part of their listing for the GFCI receptacle. I'm guessing, but I'd say that aren't required by any manufacturer.
The original question called for a "normal" receptacle. I don't think that a 2 prong receptacle is a normal receptacle so 406.3(D)(3)(c) doesn't apply to the original question.
IMO the sticker is not required if the GFCI feeds a duplex receptacle.
110.3.B would only apply if the manufacturer said that it's required as part of their listing for the GFCI receptacle. I'm guessing, but I'd say that aren't required by any manufacturer.
Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
I agree that 406.3 (D)(3)(c) does not apply here. It is like the question of how many receptacles a GFI receptacle can protect downstream.....the manufacturer's recommendations or requirements dictate these things. The code does not require that the downstream receptacles be labeled, it merely requires that they be GFCI protected. Most areas that I ran into having to label in the past were because the inspector wanted it that way...not because the jurisdiction amended the code.
I agree that 406.3 (D)(3)(c) does not apply here. It is like the question of how many receptacles a GFI receptacle can protect downstream.....the manufacturer's recommendations or requirements dictate these things. The code does not require that the downstream receptacles be labeled, it merely requires that they be GFCI protected. Most areas that I ran into having to label in the past were because the inspector wanted it that way...not because the jurisdiction amended the code.
electricmanscott
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
Do GFCI circuit breakers come with labels? No they don't. I would have a hard time believing there is anything that would require you to label a "normal" receptacle as GFCI protected.
Do GFCI circuit breakers come with labels? No they don't. I would have a hard time believing there is anything that would require you to label a "normal" receptacle as GFCI protected.
ryan_618
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
Agreed.
davedottcom
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
I just read every word of my leviton GFCI box and instructions...no mention of stickers.
So, is it a requirement?
Not that I know of.
Have I had a house fail because of not using them?
Yes, One. The first house I ever wired in Florida.
Do I use them now?
Yes.
Why?
The stickers are free, it only takes 5 minutes to label all of them, it keeps Inspector Clueso happy...and I think it has to do with the fact that they Inspect BEFORE the power is turned on. They resent not being able to use their little push button GFCI testers they bought at HD and I sympathize with them!
Do I ever run out of stickers?
No, I call Leviton every few months or so and tell them to send me billions of them...and they do.
(Maybe not now anymore, since I wrote them a Nasty-gram about their switches!)
I believe in "picking your battles" and this one just isn't worth it to me.
In fact, I make it fun...I purposely stick them on all crooked, or side ways, or 4 on one outlet, or upsidedown....Some times I use the Spanish ones...I figure if they complain, I pull the "Racist" card!!!
GC doesn't care because they pay the cleaning girls to scrape them all off anyway after they get their CO.
They already make plates that have GFCI engraved into them, I think this kind of "Permanent" marking will become code sooner or later, so might as well get in the habit now!
Dave
I just read every word of my leviton GFCI box and instructions...no mention of stickers.
So, is it a requirement?
Not that I know of.
Have I had a house fail because of not using them?
Yes, One. The first house I ever wired in Florida.
Do I use them now?
Yes.
Why?
The stickers are free, it only takes 5 minutes to label all of them, it keeps Inspector Clueso happy...and I think it has to do with the fact that they Inspect BEFORE the power is turned on. They resent not being able to use their little push button GFCI testers they bought at HD and I sympathize with them!
Do I ever run out of stickers?
No, I call Leviton every few months or so and tell them to send me billions of them...and they do.
(Maybe not now anymore, since I wrote them a Nasty-gram about their switches!) I believe in "picking your battles" and this one just isn't worth it to me.
In fact, I make it fun...I purposely stick them on all crooked, or side ways, or 4 on one outlet, or upsidedown....Some times I use the Spanish ones...I figure if they complain, I pull the "Racist" card!!!
GC doesn't care because they pay the cleaning girls to scrape them all off anyway after they get their CO.
They already make plates that have GFCI engraved into them, I think this kind of "Permanent" marking will become code sooner or later, so might as well get in the habit now!
Dave
websparky
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
To infinity, wwebb and others that are still learning:
To infinity, wwebb and others that are still learning:
For those of us that can read the code book, it does mention a "normal" receptacle.
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
The section is detailing (D) Replacements of (3) Non-grounding-Type receptacles.
There's no requirement to place a sticker on a grounded grounding-type load-side GFCI-protected receptacle. Why should there be? Is the receptacle safer with a sticker on it?
[ April 27, 2005, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]
What's that supposed to mean?
The section is detailing (D) Replacements of (3) Non-grounding-Type receptacles.
There's no requirement to place a sticker on a grounded grounding-type load-side GFCI-protected receptacle. Why should there be? Is the receptacle safer with a sticker on it?
[ April 27, 2005, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]
highkvoltage
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
You are correct you would not use the "GFCI Protected" sticker with a two prong outlet but if you replace the downsteam two prong with a three prong you would use the "No Ground" (I think that what it states) sticker on each downsteam outlet.
[ April 27, 2005, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: highkvoltage ]
You are correct you would not use the "GFCI Protected" sticker with a two prong outlet but if you replace the downsteam two prong with a three prong you would use the "No Ground" (I think that what it states) sticker on each downsteam outlet.
[ April 27, 2005, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: highkvoltage ]
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
Sparky, since you seem to know it all and aren't 'still learning' maybe we should just address all of the questions to you personally.
Nowhere in Chuck's original post did it mention that the downstream receptacle had "NO GROUND", so your post doesn't even apply to the original question. For the record, we're all learning, that's why we're here.......
[ April 27, 2005, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: infinity ]
Sparky, since you seem to know it all and aren't 'still learning' maybe we should just address all of the questions to you personally.
Nowhere in Chuck's original post did it mention that the downstream receptacle had "NO GROUND", so your post doesn't even apply to the original question. For the record, we're all learning, that's why we're here.......
[ April 27, 2005, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: infinity ]
websparky
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
infinity, when you read a post you don't agree with, why is it wrong? It sounds like you are the one with a problem. You also said "IMO the sticker is not required if the GFCI feeds a duplex receptacle." This statement is inacurate because it is a generalization and 406 shows one instance when a sticher is required. If anyone here has taken it personally, it is you. If you would have taken the time to read 406 before you shot back to my first post saying "406.3(D)(3)(c) doesn't apply to the original question." and "IMO the sticker is not required if the GFCI feeds a duplex receptacle.", then maybe other would have had a chance to read it too. Usually when a code reference is posted and not quoted, one should take the time to read the reference and try to understand it before shooting back.
The original post is above. It does not mention grounding but refers to a "normal" receptacle. It does mention "label" and "down stream".
Read highkvoltage's post. He understood the question and agreed with my answer.
infinity, when you read a post you don't agree with, why is it wrong? It sounds like you are the one with a problem. You also said "IMO the sticker is not required if the GFCI feeds a duplex receptacle." This statement is inacurate because it is a generalization and 406 shows one instance when a sticher is required. If anyone here has taken it personally, it is you. If you would have taken the time to read 406 before you shot back to my first post saying "406.3(D)(3)(c) doesn't apply to the original question." and "IMO the sticker is not required if the GFCI feeds a duplex receptacle.", then maybe other would have had a chance to read it too. Usually when a code reference is posted and not quoted, one should take the time to read the reference and try to understand it before shooting back.
If I were wrong in my post, you should apply your own words and consider what you said here.
paul
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Re: Down Stream GFI Recept Labeling?
[ April 28, 2005, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: paul ]
I suppose you're also one of those who sends letters using all 1? stamps taking up both the front and the back of the envelope.
[ April 28, 2005, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: paul ]
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