Drive time or on the job

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electricalist

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We have job 2 hrs away.
What's my best use of time.
Get a hotel
Drive back and forth and work x amount of hrs on site
Drive 4 hrs and work 4 hrs.

How do I figure what's cost effective


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If you get paid for driving does it matter to you? Seems like a boss type decision.

If you dont get paid for the drive time it is still up to your boss to decide how he wants to handle it.

Personally, anything more than an hour drive I look at finding a place to stay near the job site.

But for me the mileage and drive time is on the company. a couple hours is worth maybe $250 so it is pretty easy to figure out the break even point is under an hour drive time.
 
Drive time or on the job

I'd have to say my new hat is to help the boss come up with a system that's fair to the employees and the company as well as makes financial sense.


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I'd have to say my new hat is to help the boss come up with a system that's fair to the employees and the company as well as makes financial sense.


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If you ever figure it out, please let us know. :lol:
 
Well the short math I came up with was as petersonra said anything more than an hour window time is financially counter productive.


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If it is a longer term project, see if you can work 4 days, stay near the work site, but put in same hours as you normally would in 5 days, and get Friday off. Boss and employees both may like that.
 
I did a two week job like this, almost 2 hrs away. The job hours were 7-3:30 Monday through Friday, no OT. I just drove back and forth as my time was better spent at home.
 
If it is a longer term project, see if you can work 4 days, stay near the work site, but put in same hours as you normally would in 5 days, and get Friday off. Boss and employees both may like that.

That's a pretty good suggestion.
The numbers work out so that nobody runs into unnecessary overtime, not a lot of window time, enough hours on site to satisfy production and the GC.



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If it is a longer term project, see if you can work 4 days, stay near the work site, but put in same hours as you normally would in 5 days, and get Friday off. Boss and employees both may like that.

We did some out of town work, worked four tens, had Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday off, went back on Tuesday and worked four tens and Saturday Sunday off. Two four day weekends and two regular weekends a month, it was great.
 
We did some out of town work, worked four tens, had Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday off, went back on Tuesday and worked four tens and Saturday Sunday off. Two four day weekends and two regular weekends a month, it was great.

Back in the days when I worked for the man I wouldn't work out of town for straight time. The only reason I would travel is to make money. If I have stay out of town and live in a hotel I expect to work at least 12 hours a day and 7 days a week. I would have worked more but needed some drinking time.
 
Any project more than an hour away from home we got a hotel and worked from there. Anything less we did a daily commute.
Many people spend more time then that on their daily commute to work.

Some who are truly on the road most of the time would welcome an occasional work site within 2 hours of home just to be able to go home at night.
 
Many people spend more time then that on their daily commute to work.

Some who are truly on the road most of the time would welcome an occasional work site within 2 hours of home just to be able to go home at night.

Yes they do. For us, especially in the winter time with the accompanying shorter days on commercial LE (v/d/v) projects, driving an hour, getting everything set up, working 6 hours tops, then putting everything away and driving home... 10 hr day to get 6 hrs worth of work done just wasnt efficient. 2 men sharing a hotel room in a nearby place (easy when you are wiring hotels) was much more productive, and we often got the rooms for free as we worked for the owner, not the GC.

Most jobs a commute wasnt an option as we were 2+ hours out.

My aunt has made a 45 minute commute each way for the last 35 years. vs the 15 when she lived here, near work. An hour lost every day driving, x5/week, x50/year, x35 years, is 8,750 hours, which in two more weeks is an entire year of her life wasted driving. Wear and tear on her vehicles (maintenance$$$) and all the extra gas, she could have retired a few years ago had she stayed in the home she owned in town.

People also seem to have forgotten gas spiking to $4+ a gallon less than ten years ago, and driving something that gets 15-18mpg two hours a day quickly makes hotel rooms all the more attractive, at least here where hotels arent terribly expensive.

eta: electricalist, in your case we would work 8 hour days and have 12+ hour days. No way I'd drive 2 hours one way to do 4 hours of work then turn around and come home. Maybe even 6 as avoiding rush hour would be worth staying the extra 2 hours (over the 4 you mentioned).

Back when I did commercial v/d/v, we would work whatever hours weather or other factors would permit. Sometimes we worked 15 hour days (6am-9pm), sometimes we worked 5. Usually we worked 7 days a week until that phase of the project was completed. Some days we'd take a 2 hr lunch, others we'd take a shower and nap at lunchtime. Having a helper who is on the same page as I made more difference than the specific schedule we worked.
 
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Drive time or on the job

If it's up to an hour away, I figure the job with us driving back and forth every day, and we do pay travel time.

Anything over that and we're paying per diem to stay overnight. It's more cost effective than paying travel time + mileage costs on the trucks. I don't think any of the guys want to be commuting that far daily anyway. I certainly wouldn't want to.

I think it's more productive to put in four 10's (or even 12 sometimes) and go home to a 3-day weekend.

We travel almost 100% for work though, and all employees are aware of this, so it's something that should be discussed with employees if your company hasn't already been traveling out of town for work.

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That is my style too. I'm not away from home to watch greys anatomy reruns in a motel.

:D

A hotel room is a place to wash up, sleep, and maybe do some pre-work in air conditioning over a beer than at a 102* 92%RH job site.

I got aggravated whenever we couldnt work from arrival date to leave date (usually 14-24 days in a row) because while it's nice to see new places, it isnt a vacation, and at the end I was bidding jobs rather than working hourly, so extra per diem and what not was costing me.

Getting to a project almost halfway across the country and seeing it without not just a roof, but any roof trusses was the final straw in my travelling days (that and 2008 was NOT a good time to be driving a vehicle long distance). Screaming that "you're holding us up" and then spending almost 5 weeks at a two week project, most of it on our asses because they were behind.... never again.
 
Many people spend more time then that on their daily commute to work.

Some who are truly on the road most of the time would welcome an occasional work site within 2 hours of home just to be able to go home at night.

My bosses perspective agrees with that statement.
He'd rather drive back and forth then stay gone.
The problem I've run into is people tend to get tired of all the driving then working.
I'd say our guys a good at being self motivated until they have to ride for a few hours.
Typically they wanna work hard all day or go home.


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My bosses perspective agrees with that statement.
He'd rather drive back and forth then stay gone.
The problem I've run into is people tend to get tired of all the driving then working.
I'd say our guys a good at being self motivated until they have to ride for a few hours.
Typically they wanna work hard all day or go home.


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Not talking about just construction trades here, but in the good ole days everyone seemed to live pretty close to their work, or at least where they report to work at. Anymore around here there is a lot of people that travel 30-75 miles to work, so driving isn't looked at as that big of a deal to many. Sure if a company is paying, the bean counters are looking at it. I'd say there aren't just too many that travel to "project sites" that don't come home every night if home is less then a 2 hour drive. There sometimes is those that take a camper to near a project and stay in it.

We have shrinking school districts (number of students wise) in these rural areas. Some schools have consolidated or co-oped in certain activities. We have students, teachers, other staff in some of those that drive 20-30 miles between sites nearly on a daily basis. Trips to athletic events is easily 100 miles for some "regular season" events to go play at a school that is in your "conference".

Some schools in other parts of the country in metro areas may never leave the metro area they are located in to play their "regular" opponents that they see every year. Though I suppose if they don't schedule travel times very well and hit traffic at the wrong time they may spend about as much time on a bus.
 
My bosses perspective agrees with that statement.
He'd rather drive back and forth then stay gone.
The problem I've run into is people tend to get tired of all the driving then working.
I'd say our guys a good at being self motivated until they have to ride for a few hours.
Typically they wanna work hard all day or go home.


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Sure this is an office decision but you have to think of the workers too. Families come into play as well for those having to drive to the site. They may not be able to stay for reasons outside your control. Picking up kids, practices, etc. There are a lot of variables excluding the work/cost.
 
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