Sierrasparky
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How do they get by if the dryer is Gas? I did not think a gas appliance that draws combustion air from the room be allowed in any bedroom.
Dryer receptacle in bedroom
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RAYMFL
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stickboy1375 said:The house I did was the main laundry, I'm sure the kid will get used to sleeping with the washer and dryer running...:grin:
Probably won't hear them running with the loud music anyway.
stickboy1375
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Sierrasparky said:
So gas log fireplaces are out?
ivsenroute
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That is a building code mechanical question and not relevant to the electrical inspection.
Nothing prohibits it that I am aware of and I am also an IRC certified building inspector.
winnie
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iwire said:
So if one were to wire a bedroom with all 120/240V circuits, then you would not need to use AFCI protection?
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jflynn said:
The amp-draw for a given load has nothing to do with whether or not it's an arc-fault hazard.
I would not doubt in coming years you will, however, be required to have evry resi circuit on an arc-fault.
If you feel strongly about it, send in a submittal for the '11.... you have until November 7th, I believe. Forms are in the back of the '08.
wwhitney
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Right, but you could put the 120v receptacles on a 120/240V MWBC. It seems like a way to circumvent the AFCI requirement--run all circuits as MWBCs protected by double-pole breakers, and be sure to include a 120/240V outlet on each circuit.480sparky said:
Yours, Wayne
roger3829
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wwhitney said:
How does it circumvent the AFCI requirement??
If it is supplying power to a 125v 15a or 20a outlet it SHALL BE AFCI protected.
It does not matter if it is a MWBC or not.
wwhitney
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In the 2008 NEC, 210.12(B) starts off "All 120 volt, single phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets . . ." If a MWBC supplies 120V outlets and a 240V outlet, is it still a "120 volt branch circuit"? I'm just thinking out loud here.roger3829 said:
Edit to add: the wording in 2002 was clearer: "All branch circuits that supply 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere outlets . . .".
Cheers, Wayne
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wwhitney said:If a MWBC supplies 120V outlets and a 240V outlet, is it still a "120 volt branch circuit"? I'm just thinking out loud here.
Cheers, Wayne
Parts of it are. :smile:
If you can provide AFCI protection to just the 120 volt sections your good to go. :grin:
crossman
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JohnJ0906 said:
On that note, I guess the "bedroom" is no longer a bedroom?
The only way to truly and completely understand the Code, IMPO, is to be part of the group of people who write it. And it's just not one group, there's several (look in the Codebook right after the table of contents).
The Book is so complex and intertwined that it's a major undertaking to make revisions. That's why it takes three years to make changes (now look at the pages right after the index)!
To get a better understanding of how the process works, I'd strongly suggest you contact the NFPA and request copies of the latest Report on Proposals (ROP) and Report on Committees (ROC). You can download the 14mb ROP here, and the 5.4mb ROC here if you like. Massive tomes, they are, the ROP weighing in at 998 pages, the ROC 681. If you wish, the NFPA can send you printed copies. Free, if I remember correctly.
With the complexity of the publication, combined with the fact that is produced by human beings, there's bound to be errors, mistakes, oversights, and typos. To correct those, the NFPA produces an Errata on occasion, so you don't have to purchase a complete reprinted Codebook to be up to date. Two pages of changes, and you can mark those in your current book in a matter of minutes.
For those of you who have the Codebook or Handbook on CD, I invite you to search for the phrase 'common sense' next time you launch it. I doubt it will appear.
The Book is so complex and intertwined that it's a major undertaking to make revisions. That's why it takes three years to make changes (now look at the pages right after the index)!
To get a better understanding of how the process works, I'd strongly suggest you contact the NFPA and request copies of the latest Report on Proposals (ROP) and Report on Committees (ROC). You can download the 14mb ROP here, and the 5.4mb ROC here if you like. Massive tomes, they are, the ROP weighing in at 998 pages, the ROC 681. If you wish, the NFPA can send you printed copies. Free, if I remember correctly.
With the complexity of the publication, combined with the fact that is produced by human beings, there's bound to be errors, mistakes, oversights, and typos. To correct those, the NFPA produces an Errata on occasion, so you don't have to purchase a complete reprinted Codebook to be up to date. Two pages of changes, and you can mark those in your current book in a matter of minutes.
For those of you who have the Codebook or Handbook on CD, I invite you to search for the phrase 'common sense' next time you launch it. I doubt it will appear.
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