Dryer receptacle underneath washer piping

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Kuzu

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My sister is renting a house where the dryer receptacle has been placed about 6" AFF, but is directly underneath the washing machine's water piping. I've seen similar configurations in some of the older apartments I've lived in over the years, and it has always worried me. Since it's a rental there's no chance of getting it relocated, so is there anyway to protect the receptacle from water or at least shield it to keep it safe, and anyone doing laundry to stay safe as well?

Thanks!
 

infinity

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Personally I see no inherent problem with what you've described. Under normal conditions the water will be on the inside of the pipe and not pose any threat to the receptacle. You could choose to install an in-use style receptacle cover designed for wet locations. IMO that may be overkill.
 

Kuzu

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I'm just worried that should water ever leak that it could cause a problem. I'll check one of the hardware stores here for a cover... I'd rather play on the side of caution.

Thanks!
 

petersonra

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What makes you think this presents a hazard in the first place?

Just having water and electricity in the same area does not create a hazard.

Even if the water were to leak out of the pipe and onto the receptacle, it is not likely to create a hazard.
 

iwire

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muskiedog said:
How will the cover protect you? If you go to plug something in standing water you will need to lift the cover.

It's a dryer, do you think they are pluging it in and out all the time?

As far as the loaction I don't see the danger, I agree with petersonra
 

celtic

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Kuzu said:
I'm just worried that should water ever leak that it could cause a problem.


You know...those same water lines and electrical wires are buried within the walls/ceilings ....a water leak could happen ANYWHERE.
 

realolman

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I personally think they could have located it better, don't you?

I think his concern has at least some validity.

If you were intentionally trying to find the worst location possible, where other than under the washer hookup would it be?

What to do about it now... I dunno. Make sure everything is grounded and bonded correctly and tell them to turn off the breaker before trying to plug / unplug it.
 

celtic

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realolman said:
I think his concern has at least some validity.

By the same logic, should we not install panels or ANY other electrical equipement (recep., switch, lights, etc) UNDER a bathroom, laundry, wet bar, kitchen, etc ?
 

jaylectricity

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cowboyjwc said:
Do you or do you not have a diposal / dishwasher outlet located under the kitchen sink?

Same difference as far as I can tell.

In the spirit of debate, aren't the water hook-ups for a washer designed to push water through a hose towards the washing machine? And aren't those hoses subjected to:

1. Human Error (Not tight enough)
2. Material breakdown (bad gasket)

In cowboyjwc's example, those are plumbed in (usually) by a qualified plumber. Same as the pipes hidden in the wall.

I would imagine this situation can continue without incident, but there is no debating the poor management of this situation.

Nobody has asked about whether this is a 240 dryer receptacle or 120. Nor has anyone asked whether this was flush mount or surface mount.
 

realolman

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jaylectricity said:
... but there is no debating the poor management of this situation. ...
I think that is exactly my feeling. If you were going to locate the dryer plug in the worst possible location,where would be worse than under the washer hookups?

Also, it bothers me that people get beat up on this forum when they ask questions or have concerns that are obvious to some. Not everyone has the same experience. The water is on the inside of the pipes, is it?

Many times I would have liked to ask or check something on this forum, but did not for fear of being ridiculed. Surely I'm not the only one. How often does that happen? Is the subject of electrical safety being promoted in that environment?
 

jaylectricity

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realolman said:
Many times I would have liked to ask or check something on this forum, but did not for fear of being ridiculed. Surely I'm not the only one. How often does that happen? Is the subject of electrical safety being promoted in that environment?

To any that feel the same, I wouldn't worry about it so much. I've said dumb enough things and have even been flat out wrong. Every once in a while things heat up between guys in arguments but that is unavoidable.

This thread didn't really ridicule the OP, not on a whole. There were a couple of comments, but nothing ego-shattering.

I'm still wondering whether or not the dryer is electric or gas and whether the receptacle is flush or surface mount.
 

celtic

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realolman said:
Many times I would have liked to ask or check something on this forum, but did not for fear of being ridiculed. Surely I'm not the only one. How often does that happen? Is the subject of electrical safety being promoted in that environment?
If a person's fear of being ridiculed outweighs thier belief in a topic, how strongly do they support there position?

I've asked many a question and been left in a pile of my own bodily fluids ...I've also responded to many a question and been left there in my own puddle.
Did I learn anything?
Sure I did.
My position on any given topic may not be the right position, but until proven/convinced otherwise - I'll stand up to anyone who disagrees with me ...more often than not, with embarrassing results for ME. ...and yet, after the smoke has cleared, I find it was worth the embarassing battle ~ NOW, I understand and how can I be upset with someone that just taught me something?

Usually it takes about 4 pages ... for me to get up to speed

I fully support pummeling a wrong position into the depths of Hades....and I thank those that have given me the beating I deserved (you know who you are).
 

stickboy1375

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In case you feel you got beat up.... :roll:
 

George Stolz

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Realolman, I think the somewhat terse nature of some replies to questions such as these are in the nature of defensiveness; if questioned, I'd defend my right to install the receptacle as described in the OP. The user at this moment can't see what's behind the walls, and can't know the full story behind the choice to locate the receptacle where it is.

So, if some of the responses appear to be at the original poster's expense, it shouldn't be taken that way, and I believe everyone who replied so far would agree.

Here's a little story: When I was persuing my illustrious burger-flipping career, I needed to take a 3-gallon pot of chili off the stove in back, pour it into two 1.5 gallon pans, and carry them up front to serve. I slipped when I was pulling the chili pot out of the water pot below it (the steam burned my wrists, causing me to lose concentration). I managed to spill most of the chili onto the stove, the wall and the floor.

The receptacle was located beside the stove (the stove was in a corner). I nailed it good, and there was a bright flash and the breaker kicked. The receptacle had to be replaced.

My point is, accidents are not controlled events that go off as planned; there is no planning involved. If the dryer plug were located off to one side as is customary, there's no guarantee it won't still be involved in an accident with the washing machine. There's no guarantee that the cord to the washer won't be involved either.

Since the fluids are usually contained inside the appliances, there are very few accidents involving the scenario we're all trying to picture. In the chili incident, all the fluids were out there and manipulated many times on a daily basis, and it was still a pretty unlucky shot on my part to hit the receptacle. In the washer/dryer situation, they are rarely disconnected, unplugged, or similarly fiddled with.

So, I agree with the others who say, sleep well, you probably have nothing to worry about. Your sister will likely get hit by a bus before these objects hurt her. :D
 
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muskiedog

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I learn more by my mistakes. I am never worried about being wrong. I am no expert. Pull your skirts down. no offense to the ladies.

Have a good memeorial weekend.
 

realolman

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Unless you would prefer the dryer recp. to be placed under the hose bibbs for the washer, it is a less than desirable location and I would do my best to not locate it there. I think the reasons are obvious.


You can call it terse if you like, but making someone appear or feel foolish about his concerns is wrong. It certainly does not add to the sum total of electrical safety or knowlege.
 

iwire

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Real I think you missed some of Georges post.

We don't know why it is located where it is

There may have been a good reason for the location, or it might be that the electrician roughed before the plumber and the plumber chose to rough his work above the outlet box.

Or the electrician might just care only about getting it done.

Would I intentionally install the receptacle under the plumbing connections?

No, bad location for access as well as a possible leak.

That aside I am certainly not going to say that an existing situation is dangerous when it is not, and I am not going to recommend spending money to 'fix' what is not broken.
 
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