Dude, where is my service point?

[kwired]

I don't see it that way. The NEC does cover a service lateral, if the point of delivery is at the XF. The point of delivery will be the point of jurisdiction between the NESC and the NEC.

The POCO sets the point of delivery. It could be the meterbase, the top of the pole, the padmount, or a vault, and it could be secondary or primary voltages. We have some places where the point of delivery is the top of the pole at the 25 kV cutout.

If the point of delivery is at the XF, and you have to run the conductors to the pole overhead, it is a service drop. If the conductors are underground, it is a service lateral.

If the POCO point of delivery is at the weather head (for overhead), or the meterbase (underground), the NEC isn't involved in the service laterals or drops.

You may be correct if using a pre-2011 NEC. If using a 2011 NEC it has changed, as mentioned in this thread. The service lateral and service drop are both defined in 2011 as being on the supply side of the service point. If they are on the supply side of the service point they are under utility control and not the NEC. If the service point happens to be the load side lugs of a pad mount transformer then an underground conductor supplying a service is just called "underground service conductors" according to 2011 NEC.

A service lateral according to 2011 would be underground conductors from any supply point up to the service point, which may be at something like a meter socket, disconnect, CT cabinet, or terminal box.

 

[Smart $]

I don't see it that way. The NEC does cover a service lateral, if the point of delivery is at the XF. The point of delivery will be the point of jurisdiction between the NESC and the NEC.

The POCO sets the point of delivery. It could be the meterbase, the top of the pole, the padmount, or a vault, and it could be secondary or primary voltages. We have some places where the point of delivery is the top of the pole at the 25 kV cutout.

If the point of delivery is at the XF, and you have to run the conductors to the pole overhead, it is a service drop. If the conductors are underground, it is a service lateral.

If the POCO point of delivery is at the weather head (for overhead), or the meterbase (underground), the NEC isn't involved in the service laterals or drops.

Yes, the NEC still defines service lateral, but its revised definition along with that of the service point always has a service lateral on the POCO-side of the service point (i.e. point of delivery) and no longer under NEC purview.

 

[Hv&Lv]

Yes, the NEC still defines service lateral, but its revised definition along with that of the service point always has a service lateral on the POCO-side of the service point (i.e. point of delivery) and no longer under NEC purview.

I looked in my 2011 NEC. I see what you and K are stating. It really makes no sense when going by their definitions.

Amazing how a revision can really screw things up:lol::lol:

 

[unsaint34]

Once you are on load side of service disconnect, you no longer are talking service equipment, or service conductors. There is no other choice but a feeder or a branch circuit. If it supplies other overcurrent devices it is a feeder, if it supplies a load it is a branch circuit.

I know I'm being a pain in the neck but the feeder definition is "A circuit conductor between the power supply source and a FINAL branch circuit overcurrent device."

 

[kwired]

I know I'm being a pain in the neck but the feeder definition is "A circuit conductor between the power supply source and a FINAL branch circuit overcurrent device."

Your definition is not complete. Here is definition from 2011 NEC.

Feeder. All circuit conductors between the service equipment, the source of a separately derived system, or other power supply source and the final branch-circuit overcurrent device.

And there is this definition also

Service Conductors. The conductors from the service point to the service disconnecting means.

 

[unsaint34]

that makes sense. Thank you.

 

[Prox]

So, what is stopping the POCO from picking the pole mounted transformer as the service point and making the recently damaged service drop the responsibility of the customer?

 

[kwired]

So, what is stopping the POCO from picking the pole mounted transformer as the service point and making the recently damaged service drop the responsibility of the customer?

Nothing, and it possibly does happen, but that means the customer maybe needs to have access to the attachment point on the pole, since his responsibility starts there. I guess the same could be said for underground services when the service point is essentially the transformer terminals, but customer does not have access to interior of the transformer housing. But it is easier to restrict access to the transformer housing. The open service drop is easier to access. I still think most POCO have policy that they own the overhead conductors because they don't want others attempting to do any work up on the pole.

 

[Smart $]

So, what is stopping the POCO from picking the pole mounted transformer as the service point and making the recently damaged service drop the responsibility of the customer?

First stop for consumers would be Public Utilities Commission (of Ohio, here) or similar governing body in your jurisdiction.