DW/Disposal Cords

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When you guys wire a new house, does the GC require you to install cords on the dishwasher and disposal? I'm getting tired of being called back after the appliances are installed to put cords on. It's a real PIA with the dishwasher especially.
 
A/A Fuel GTX said:
When you guys wire a new house, does the GC require you to install cords on the dishwasher and disposal? I'm getting tired of being called back after the appliances are installed to put cords on. It's a real PIA with the dishwasher especially.
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I would say it's your job to wire those items. I always hard wired them, I really haven't seen any that come with a plug. Although thinking about the range we would put the receptacle but not the cord itself on the range, so you may have a point.
 
A/A Fuel GTX said:
When you guys wire a new house, does the GC require you to install cords on the dishwasher and disposal? I'm getting tired of being called back after the appliances are installed to put cords on. It's a real PIA with the dishwasher especially.
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Always hard wired them too. and yes, I expect a call when they are supposed to be there. ofc Ill spend more time undoing the cabinet man's work than wiring the disposal and dishwasher. One of many reasons I hate kitchens.

While we're on dishwashers, how many ECs ever get called to wire replacements? Do the plumbers do the electrical, do we do the plumbing, do HOs mostly do this, or does everyone let BB sort it out? Ive done exactly one and yes, I did the plumbing too.
 
If you don't want to wire them simply state in your contract that cords are installed by others.
 
In my area, it is most common to cord and plug both the dishwasher and the disposal, so the call backs for hookup or exchange is a lot less. Most suppliers have no trouble at all delivering disposals already corded, and I'm seeing that more and more on dishwashers as well.
 
JFletcher said:
While we're on dishwashers, how many ECs ever get called to wire replacements?...
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The Texas Dept. of Licensing and Regulation (TDLR) has a "Residential Appliance Installer Contractors License".

From the Frequently asked questions on TDLR's website:

22. When is a Residential Appliance Installer license required to attach an appliance power cord on a clothes dryer, oven/range, or other residential appliance?

A Residential Appliance Installer license is always required when an appliance power cord is being attached in a home or other residential (single or multi-family dwelling less than four stories) installation site. If the appliance power cord is installed at the manufacturing plant or the shop of an authorized manufacturer's representative, then no license is required. Also, there is an exemption for homeowners who reside in the home to do the work if the electrical work is not regulated by city ordinance.

Of course, you can hire an EC if you want to. I think we are installing them on a current "extended stay hotel" remodel
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al hildenbrand said:
In my area, it is most common to cord and plug both the dishwasher and the disposal, so the call backs for hookup or exchange is a lot less. Most suppliers have no trouble at all delivering disposals already corded, and I'm seeing that more and more on dishwashers as well.
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That's great news. Nobody I know hard wires either one anymore. It only makes sense to ship them out already corded.
 
A contractor I do work for will have the homeowner or themselves have the appliances delivered when the cabinets are about done. So I'll just add the cords to the dishwasher, garbage disposal before there set in place.
 
jeremysterling said:
The Texas Dept. of Licensing and Regulation (TDLR) has a "Residential Appliance Installer Contractors License".

From the Frequently asked questions on TDLR's website:

22. When is a Residential Appliance Installer license required to attach an appliance power cord on a clothes dryer, oven/range, or other residential appliance?

A Residential Appliance Installer license is always required when an appliance power cord is being attached in a home or other residential (single or multi-family dwelling less than four stories) installation site. If the appliance power cord is installed at the manufacturing plant or the shop of an authorized manufacturer's representative, then no license is required. Also, there is an exemption for homeowners who reside in the home to do the work if the electrical work is not regulated by city ordinance.

Of course, you can hire an EC if you want to. I think we are installing them on a current "extended stay hotel" remodel
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I was meaning more for a replacement dishwasher. Power and plumbing. Here, such jobs are done mostly by plumbers who will also do the electrical, tho I have never seen a plumber with a circuit tester (and panel schedules are never correct). I have to wonder if they do it live, kill the whole house, or just ground the ungrounded conductor so the CB trips.

Water heaters are also the same way.

Lowes or HD will install both, tho if there is any exception to their install list, they wont put it in. The dishwasher I removed and installed new for, the plumbing line going to it was copper, and there was no shut off. HD bailed.

If plumbers can do minimal electrical, it stands to reason electricians can do minimal plumbing.

I see no reason why dishwashers, garbage disposals, and water heaters couldnt be wired cord and plug, even with a field assembled cord. imho, all should come wired such from the factory, and if they need be changed to hard wired, then it could be done locally (on site).
 
Called back to install cords? I don't understand.

I prefer cords because I can install them on the appliance before they're even ready with the countertop. Then when the plumber FINALLY shows up, it's all ready to go. So much easier than trying to be there when the plumber is there so we can work in tandem.

Working in tandem with a plumber is near impossible.
 
jaylectricity said:
Called back to install cords? I don't understand.
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Fletcher was talking about being called back to disconnect a HARDwired appliance upon replacement, and then reconnect the newly replaced unit.

I agree, cord & plug's the way to go.
 
For several years now I've installed cords and plugs on these units, irrespective of whether they come with one or not. It makes things a lot easier for a service person to unplug the units when having to work on them. Not sure what the norm is in other parts of the country but where I am in NJ, if you hard wire either or both of these units, once you fix them in place the EI's require you to install a breaker locking device on the respective breaker(s). Using a cord and plug eliminates the need for the locking device and the disconnect means is local.
 
jaylectricity said:
Called back to install cords? I don't understand.

I prefer cords because I can install them on the appliance before they're even ready with the countertop. Then when the plumber FINALLY shows up, it's all ready to go. So much easier than trying to be there when the plumber is there so we can work in tandem.

Working in tandem with a plumber is near impossible.
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I'm long gone when the appliances arrive.
 
goldstar said:
For several years now I've installed cords and plugs on these units, irrespective of whether they come with one or not. It makes things a lot easier for a service person to unplug the units when having to work on them. Not sure what the norm is in other parts of the country but where I am in NJ, if you hard wire either or both of these units, once you fix them in place the EI's require you to install a breaker locking device on the respective breaker(s). Using a cord and plug eliminates the need for the locking device and the disconnect means is local.
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True for the DW but in many cases the disposal control switch can serve as the disconnecting means.

When I was doing condos in the 80s we would hardwire everything but the stove and dryer.

Now if I was to do that work again I would likely go with cord and plug.
 
iwire said:
True for the DW but in many cases the disposal control switch can serve as the disconnecting means.
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Yes, if that's the type of disposal the HO buys. I try to encourage them to get the "batch feed" type where you install the plug-in device into the drain, turn it and that activates the unit. One less electrical device on the back-splash or inside the sink cabinet.
 
goldstar said:
Yes, if that's the type of disposal the HO buys. I try to encourage them to get the "batch feed" type where you install the plug-in device into the drain, turn it and that activates the unit. One less electrical device on the back-splash or inside the sink cabinet.
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I agree it depends.

Personally not a fan of batch feed but I do understand some folks are weird about seeing devices in a kitchen. :p
 
My experiences with 'appliance guys' hasn't been too smooth, perhaps the state of Tx has it right.....? Yes i contract 'by others' as much as any EC, and yes i get the callbacks when those 'others' 'eff it all up

~RJ~
 
Case in point, yesterday's appliance delivery included a dual fuel range.

The majority of which are 30A240V

The appliance guy (sporting some ornamental fish hook lip piercing) hands me a 50A240V range cord, insisting ALL ranges incorporate them....

And yes, the appliance specs were in the kitchen owners hand long before said delivery

~RJ~
 
iwire said:
True for the DW but in many cases the disposal control switch can serve as the disconnecting means.

When I was doing condos in the 80s we would hardwire everything but the stove and dryer.
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Gee, I don't remember you mentioning doing condos in the 80's before. :p
 
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