EC&M Grounding & Bonding

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Dennis Alwon

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I saw this article by Mike Holt on ec&m. If this is true it is new to me. There is no equipment grounding conductor connected. Not sure anyone can view the article but here is the link https://www.ecmweb.com/content/arti...es-between-grounding-and-bonding-part-9-of-12

What do you think? I always thought you needed self grounding device unless it had metal to metal contact. According to the article you only need that for receptacles.

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Fig. 1. Direct metal‑to‑metal contact between the device yoke of a switch and the box is not required.


Article 404 ― Switches​

The metal mounting yokes for switches, dimmers, and control switches must connect to an equipment grounding conductor. Metal faceplates must be bonded to the equipment grounding conductor (EGC) [Sec. 404.9(B)].

Snap switches, dimmers, control switches, and metal faceplates are considered connected to an EGC using either of the following methods:

(1) Metal boxes. The switch is mounted with metal screws to a metal box or a metal cover that is connected to an EGC per Sec. 250.148.

Direct metal-to-metal contact between the device yoke of a switch and the box is not required. The switch is connected to the effective ground-fault current path when the yoke is mounted with metal screws to a metal box (Fig. 1).
(2) Nonmetallic boxes. The grounding terminal of the switch yoke must connect to the circuit EGC.

Exception No. 1: Where no means exist within the box for bonding to an EGC, or if the wiring method at the existing switch does not contain an EGC, a switch without such a connection to the EGC is permitted for replacement purposes only. A switch installed under this exception must have a nonmetallic faceplate with nonmetallic screws, or the replacement switch must be GFCI-protected.

Exception No. 2: Listed assemblies are not required to be bonded to an EGC if all four conditions in this exception are met. For example, the device has a nonmetallic yoke.

Exception No. 3: An EGC is not required for bonding a snap switch with an integral nonmetallic enclosure complying with Sec. 300.15(E).


Metal enclosures for switches and circuit breakers must be connected to an EGC of a type recognized in Sec. 250.118 [Sec. 250.4(A)(3)]. Where nonmetallic enclosures are used with metal raceways or metal-armored cables, they must comply with Sec. 314.3 Exception No. 1 or Exception No. 2 [Sec. 404.12].
 

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A self grounding device is required for a receptacle it is not required for switches. The two mounting screws (without a self grounding clip) is all that is required.
 

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Some switches have grounding lugs (green screw), others do not. Remember that when grabbing switches out of a bin and your project has plastic boxes. I learned that the hard way. Got back to the job and half the switches had no way to ground them and we were using plastic boxes.
 

Dennis Alwon

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A self grounding device is required for a receptacle it is not required for switches. The two mounting screws (without a self grounding clip) is all that is required.
Yes, I never realized the switches did not need to be self grounding. Of course we always grounded the switches so it wasn't an issue. I don't understand why it is okay for switches but not receptacles.
 

Dennis Alwon

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Some switches have grounding lugs (green screw), others do not. Remember that when grabbing switches out of a bin and your project has plastic boxes. I learned that the hard way. Got back to the job and half the switches had no way to ground them and we were using plastic boxes.
Yes in those days we just used those nylon screws on the plates and everyone was happy. I hated those nylon screws
 

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. I don't understand why it is okay for switches but not receptacles.
Maybe because In the switch all connection are behind the switch, and nothing external. We’re as in the receptacle you have something external (Grounding pin on cord )making contact with egc ,so it’s more important. Sound logical at first.
 

K8MHZ

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Yes, I never realized the switches did not need to be self grounding. Of course we always grounded the switches so it wasn't an issue. I don't understand why it is okay for switches but not receptacles.
Yes, I never realized the switches did not need to be self grounding. Of course we always grounded the switches so it wasn't an issue. I don't understand why it is okay for switches but not receptacles.
Further evidence that the code is a bare minimum standard, not a design manual.
 

Dennis Alwon

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Yeah well this is new to me and as Texie stated not known by many. If I were still working I would probably still connect the equipment grounding conductor to the switch just out of habit.
 

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The switch does not carry the fault current of any appliances but a receptacle is. IMO receptacles do need a better grounding connection.
 

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Yeah well this is new to me and as Texie stated not known by many. If I were still working I would probably still connect the equipment grounding conductor to the switch just out of habit.
In a metallic raceway system that would be assuming you had a wire type EGC. But as you know that won't always be the case.
 

Dennis Alwon

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In a metallic raceway system that would be assuming you had a wire type EGC. But as you know that won't always be the case.
What do you mean? Emt is a valid equipment grounding conductor and is in 250.118 - are you saying that you cannot rely on the switch mounting screws if there isn't a conductor as a ground
 

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What do you mean? Emt is a valid equipment grounding conductor and is in 250.118 - are you saying that you cannot rely on the switch mounting screws if there isn't a conductor as a ground
No, no. I'm saying just the opposite. I just mentioned it as you said you would be inclined to connect the EGC to the switch in any case. I was just saying that there may not be one to connect to. Or maybe you just mean you would pigtail a jumper to the box.
 

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No, no. I'm saying just the opposite. I just mentioned it as you said you would be inclined to connect the EGC to the switch in any case. I was just saying that there may not be one to connect to. Or maybe you just mean you would pigtail a jumper to the box.
I gotcha... Yeah I was assuming a wire ground and I would loop it to the box over to the switch- one continuous piece. If there wasn't a wire equipment grounding conductor then I would just pigtail to the box.

I guess if I had hundreds of them to do then I might rethink the amount of extra time that would take. lol
 

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And then there is the case where you have an old NM box/switch that has no EGC at all. Have use NM plate with NM screws. Very often violated by using metallic screws.
 

Dennis Alwon

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And then there is the case where you have an old NM box/switch that has no EGC at all. Have use NM plate with NM screws. Very often violated by using metallic screws.

Yep, years ago we had a wire equipment grounding conductor however the switches didn't have ground screws so we just used plastic plates and screws as you stated.

It would be a rare case where the switch shorts to the yolk but I have seen it happen.
 

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And then there is the case where you have an old NM box/switch that has no EGC at all. Have use NM plate with NM screws. Very often violated by using metallic screws.
Are there switches available with non-metallic yokes, and would that allow the use of an NM plate with (isolated) metallic screws?

Cheers, Wayne
 

Dennis Alwon

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Are there switches available with non-metallic yokes, and would that allow the use of an NM plate with (isolated) metallic screws?

Cheers, Wayne

I wouldn't think you could use a metal plate in that scenario so since a wire could come loose and energize the plate. Besides don't all metal parts of the electrical system need to be bonded
 

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Yep, years ago we had a wire equipment grounding conductor however the switches didn't have ground screws so we just used plastic plates and screws as you stated.

It would be a rare case where the switch shorts to the yolk but I have seen it happen.
There were nm 6/32 screws available from Leviton
 
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