EC responsible for electric usage????

[JacksonburgFarmer]

Looking at spec.'s for upcoming job to bid it, have anyone delt with the following??? "facilities and controls in the Electrical Contract include, but not limited to, Electric power service and distribution, including all ELECTRICAL USE CHARGES DURING CONSTRUCTION UP TO BUILDING OCCUPANCY. The customer will supply contractor with meter to be installed by EC. The customer will charge the EC on a monthly basis for energy consumed." HOW DO YOU FIGURE FOR THIS???? I have never seen this before, has anyone else???

 

[LarryFine]

They want the electricial contractor to pay for all of the power every trade on the job usues during construction time?

That's insane! How do they figure they shouldn't bear that cost themselves? They want the bill in your name until C of O?

How are you supposed to know how much that will be, so you can add it to the contract? Or is that what they don't want?

 

[jmsbrush]

Looking at spec.'s for upcoming job to bid it, have anyone delt with the following??? "facilities and controls in the Electrical Contract include, but not limited to, Electric power service and distribution, including all ELECTRICAL USE CHARGES DURING CONSTRUCTION UP TO BUILDING OCCUPANCY. The customer will supply contractor with meter to be installed by EC. The customer will charge the EC on a monthly basis for energy consumed." HOW DO YOU FIGURE FOR THIS???? I have never seen this before, has anyone else???

I must say I'm baffled on this one!!! I have never seen this one either.
How big is this project, If were talking about a 3000 sq building then it wont be much.
If we are talking about a million square, and its a year project with several temporary's power setups, then we are talking some good numbers. Personally I wouldn't take the responsibility of taking on the electric bill. Its the customers building so its the customers expense.

 

[~Shado~]

NEVER!!!
I would never agree to that.
Even if I did, I would feel sorry for other trades....thats MY ELECTRICITY!!!...you don't get any!
Or I would call the POCO, have them get historical data for projects of similar size during cunstruction, if available, then factor that potential cost at stupid markup and put in bid.

Dave

 

[bradleyelectric]

Note: Temperary electric to be by trades supplying generators for there own use for power and lighting. OSHA required lighting outside of this proposal.

 

[JacksonburgFarmer]

Spec. says in another section, that existing service may be used for power. This is a remodel at a university. The list of questions for pre bid walk about are getting long.....:grin:

 

[zog]

Looking at spec.'s for upcoming job to bid it, have anyone delt with the following??? "facilities and controls in the Electrical Contract include, but not limited to, Electric power service and distribution, including all ELECTRICAL USE CHARGES DURING CONSTRUCTION UP TO BUILDING OCCUPANCY. The customer will supply contractor with meter to be installed by EC. The customer will charge the EC on a monthly basis for energy consumed." HOW DO YOU FIGURE FOR THIS???? I have never seen this before, has anyone else???

Easy, bring your own generator for your crew to use.

 

[petersonra]

usually this kind of thing is covered by the GC. maybe they really meant the temporary service and wiring is part of the EC contract and just muffed it when they wrote it up.

 

[growler]

The customer will supply contractor with meter to be installed by EC. The customer will charge the EC on a monthly basis for energy consumed." HOW DO YOU FIGURE FOR THIS???? I have never seen this before, has anyone else???

I have never herd of this but I would guess it's some sort of budget issue to keep construction cost seperate from operating cost. Sounds like an in house meter set up to monitor power used for construction.

It would have to be billed as an additional cost item to the GC with some extra for the time necessary to calculate useage each month ( all the admin. cost).

Call the GC and ask them how they want to work this. I could be completely wrong but there is only one way to find out.

 

[emahler]

the 'winner' of this job will be the guy who misses that spec.....

 

[weressl]

Looking at spec.'s for upcoming job to bid it, have anyone delt with the following??? "facilities and controls in the Electrical Contract include, but not limited to, Electric power service and distribution, including all ELECTRICAL USE CHARGES DURING CONSTRUCTION UP TO BUILDING OCCUPANCY. The customer will supply contractor with meter to be installed by EC. The customer will charge the EC on a monthly basis for energy consumed." HOW DO YOU FIGURE FOR THIS???? I have never seen this before, has anyone else???

It's a management issue and usually done on large Construction projects, like power station, etc. They want the EC to manage the power supply. In the Contract there should be a provision that they notified all other Contractors that unless they choose to provide electrical service for themselves, otehrwise the EC on the job is available to provide service, installation and maintenance for the electrical needs of other trades. Then in turn you would submit a bid with details how much you would charge for the installation of a submeter, panel, service drop for the other Contractors and how much would you charge them for monthly maintenance of such systems.(Line charges in addition to the pass-thru cost of electricity.) Make sure you include dismantling charges in the initial installation and address the ownership of the equipment and material you used for installing the systems. T&M and markup may be the easiest way.

There could be money to be made!

 

[jmsbrush]

It's a management issue and usually done on large Construction projects, like power station, etc. They want the EC to manage the power supply. In the Contract there should be a provision that they notified all other Contractors that unless they choose to provide electrical service for themselves, otehrwise the EC on the job is available to provide service, installation and maintenance for the electrical needs of other trades. Then in turn you would submit a bid with details how much you would charge for the installation of a submeter, panel, service drop for the other Contractors and how much would you charge them for monthly maintenance of such systems.(Line charges in addition to the pass-thru cost of electricity.) Make sure you include dismantling charges in the initial installation and address the ownership of the equipment and material you used for installing the systems. T&M and markup may be the easiest way.

There could be money to be made!

So are you saying the Ec will kinda b playing the role of the poco if they are providing other trades with power and will have to give out electric bills?

 

[Fulthrotl]

Easy, bring your own generator for your crew to use.

showoff. i've seen your trailer.

 

[Greg Swartz]

the 'winner' of this job will be the guy who misses that spec.....

how true!!

 

[Greg Swartz]

Looking at spec.'s for upcoming job to bid it, have anyone delt with the following??? "facilities and controls in the Electrical Contract include, but not limited to, Electric power service and distribution, including all ELECTRICAL USE CHARGES DURING CONSTRUCTION UP TO BUILDING OCCUPANCY. The customer will supply contractor with meter to be installed by EC. The customer will charge the EC on a monthly basis for energy consumed." HOW DO YOU FIGURE FOR THIS???? I have never seen this before, has anyone else???

Unfortunately, I have... but on a smaller scale.
In Colorado Springs, we get a monthly bill (got one today) from the POCO for an UNMETERED temporary service. Single Phase - 50A...
$40 / month... regardless of usage.

Greg

 

[Fulthrotl]

Looking at spec.'s for upcoming job to bid it, have anyone delt with the following??? "facilities and controls in the Electrical Contract include, but not limited to, Electric power service and distribution, including all ELECTRICAL USE CHARGES DURING CONSTRUCTION UP TO BUILDING OCCUPANCY. The customer will supply contractor with meter to be installed by EC. The customer will charge the EC on a monthly basis for energy consumed." HOW DO YOU FIGURE FOR THIS???? I have never seen this before, has anyone else???

sounds like a separate contract for tempower.... they may be trying to
sucker punch whoever doesn't read the specs.....

so, back at 'em.... in your excusions, put the cost of electricity.

honestly, when i see something like this in a bid, it's usually a red flag...
city of tustin did something like this in their development of an old
airbase, and the firm i was working for wouldn't even bid it.... turned out
to be a good call.... the guy who got the contract went broke on it....

like reading a light commercial bid, and seeing a 1200 amp 480 volt
gear with silver plated bus bar... and all underground was specified ocal
instead of pvc.... for a tilt up....

randy

 

[zog]

showoff. i've seen your trailer.

Wouldnt use the trailer, just a 480V gennie from sunbelt, rent them all the time.

 

[Mr. Bill]

Sounds like a developer or owner who thinks they're saving money. Either:
1) They're shifting money from one department's budget to another department's budget.
2) They're playing 'gotcha' with the spec to try and get someone who hasn't read thru the whole spec.
3) They're delusional and believe the bid price will be the same so let's add as much into this bid as possible.

How is this efficient in any way? Every contractor having a generator running all day whether they need it or not. People arguing in the field about who's outlet is who's. Then the EC who is forced to over estimate electrical usage so the owner pays more then if they just paid for the temporary service.

 

[220/221]

Mark it UP!!

$10 per day connection fee and a buck per KWH.

$100 deposit of course.

 

[sgr1]

I had a deal like that when I was GF on a WalMart. The spec said the contractor was responsible for the power bill. Not which one GC or EC and the GC was paying the bill fine till we turned on all the RTU's LOL and that months bill was about $3000 and he brought it to me and the fight was on. We had to turn about half of them off. Hot Texas summer an enclosed building. I won luckily. I just bid on one with the same wording I excluded the power bills.