EC responsible for electric usage????

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ITO

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Emaler is exactly correct the guy who missed this one on the specs will get the job.

I see this in something like out of ever twenty sets of plans I bid, and its usually part of some goofball engineer?s boiler plate at best or the GC intentionally snuck it in at worst. It?s one of those general conditions GCs would love to sneak into your scope like dumpsters and toilets.

Let me make this as clear as I can? AVOID getting hooked with consumption even if it cost?s you the job. It?s is a major gotcha that will make you cry like a baby. On a 25k sqft grocery store at 10 cents a KWH plus demand this consumption charge will run from $30,000 to $60,000 a month (depending on the time of year), once the coolers are up and running. For every month that job runs over, you get to foot the electric bill, and when is the last time you saw a job completed on schedule? Even if there were a small job do you really want to pay for the GC to run the AC non-stop for his climate control exercises?

Bid the job and explicitly exclude the consumption charges.
 
sounds like a separate contract for tempower.... they may be trying to
sucker punch whoever doesn't read the specs.....

so, back at 'em.... in your excusions, put the cost of electricity.:)
randy

I agree.

...and all underground was specified ocal
instead of pvc.... for a tilt up....randy

Wow! What is that, like 50 times more expensive? (5000%)

Sounds like a developer or owner who thinks they're saving money. Either:
1) They're shifting money from one department's budget to another department's budget.
2) They're playing 'gotcha' with the spec to try and get someone who hasn't read thru the whole spec.
3) They're delusional and believe the bid price will be the same so let's add as much into this bid as possible.

It does make you wonder. I have read division 16 specs that are 150 pages long... makes bidding really interesting.
And people do overlook things... and they will probably get the bid... because they missed it.

Man that sucks...for all your dilligence, you will not get the bid, but because someone was stupid, they get the bid...
Well, someone once said: Being stupid should be painful...
Well, the guy that misses that spec and gets the bid... it'll be painful!
 

ceb58

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Raeford, NC
Spec. says in another section, that existing service may be used for power. This is a remodel at a university. The list of questions for pre bid walk about are getting long.....:grin:

This is something I see regularly. Any contractor that is awarded any contract for the state must supply every thing to complete the job including the electricity. Most state agencies pay a flat rate based on historical data. If that usages goes above the "predicted" usage the poco sticks it to them. It's a real pain for the contractors to bring in gen. sets to work with when there live recpts. all over the place.
 

cdslotz

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I see that in almost every spec.
My first exclusion on my proposal letter is "Power Company Construction fees and Electricity Consumption costs".
Just exclude it.
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
Man that sucks...for all your dilligence, you will not get the bid, but because someone was stupid, they get the bid...

for your due diligence, you have the opportunity of not paying $46,287
out of your own pocket for the privilege of wiring that building.:smile:

'cause someone else was stupid, they get to go out of business, and in
addition to the job they are gonna leave half finished, the one that doomed
them, they have 5 other jobs they are gonna leave half finished as well.

you do know that the most dishearting words a foreman can hear are
"They blew the bid... do the best you can, we're $90k upside down....."
and you haven't even seen the prints yet... and you are hosed.

if i look at all aspects of my life, i am far more grateful for the "No's" i've
received than for the "Yess'es". if i am really fortunate, at some point
in the future, i may learn why i'm so lucky i got a "No", but i've just learned
to accept the gift of a "NO!"

case in point... when i pulled up at my house, two doors down, there is
a service truck from a local EC, doing work. the homeowner knows i am
an EC, we are friendly and social, but not close friends, chat occasionally,
etc... so why didn't he give me a call? what gives?

i have no idea why, and i am grateful beyond words. i *know* i just
dodged a bullet, and i really don't need to know what the caliber was,
or if the rifling was a left or right hand twist, now do i?
 
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