Electricity 100

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zog said:
Originally Posted by mdshunk
I have no idea. You might be right, now that I think about it. I always thought this forum was to increase the search engine rankings of the host site to sell more books and videos? Regardless, I stop in here ever day, nearly, simply because I enjoy it.
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ROTFLMAO! You got it, I still like it in here anyways. (Wonder if your post gets editied or removed Marc)
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I swear, you'd think we were the SS or something... :rolleyes: :grin:
 
cschmid said:
Ah as the plot thickens I better get the BBQ sauce ready for them ribs..and grill pork chops are the bomb..

Edited: our state is working on the requirments and how to incorporate them..
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Perfect spot for the COW to jump in and take the heat off the pig. Hey you want a piece of me??
 
frizbeedog said:
I bet that info comes in handy everyday. :roll:
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Sorry I got here so late I was wrestling with an old gas fixture converted to electric about 60 yrs ago and I finally won the battle. All copper kept threatening to scrap it all day. Beautiful fixture. Stucco finish and a burried splice box somewhere?? Sometimes you gotta say hey look I didnt do that work so why should I worry about it. But I care about people I dont even know.Insisted on grounding. So I do the right job even at the customers dissmay. In the end I thik he was impressed I stood my ground on Quality over production today.
 
quogueelectric said:
I was wrestling with an old gas fixture converted to electric about 60 yrs ago and I finally won the battle.
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A couple of years ago, a neighborhood association asked me to convert a gas lamp at the neighborhood entrance to electricity. The lamp was atop a brick wall segment and had been supplied from underground via a 1/4" ID copper tube (disconnected ahead of time by others.)

I had to figure out a game plan. Since there were a couple of 12v landscape lights and their transformer, I decided to feed a single conductor through the copper tube (a royal pain!) and put a ground clamp on the cut end of the tube, effectively making a 'coax' out of the tube.

It was easy enough to feed this from the transformer, which had the extra capacity, and fit a standard brass table-lamp socket to the old base in the head after removing the mantel holders. I got a 50w 12v bulb with a standard Edison base from an RV dealer. It looks great.
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LarryFine said:
I decided to feed a single conductor through the copper tube (a royal pain!) and put a ground clamp on the cut end of the tube, effectively making a 'coax' out of the tube.
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Seen that done with black Iron and line voltage in a old mansion that had tons of wall sconces that had been gas.

Never did see how they got the single cloth conductor out to the fixture through the pipe but they where using the black iron as the neutral.

Here is the building, it is pretty cool, I actully had my first wedding and reception at it.

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brian john said:
Has the apprenticeship system, licensing, OJT just fallen down, do we need to do more? Some of the post are downright scary, the ongoing practices and lack of safe work practices, lack of basic electrical knowledge, lack of code basics.
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Hear is what I see out there and I really don't like it.

Last year I met a young electrician that had been put in charge of a small commercail job ( 5 or 6 men ) as a lead man with only two or three years of experience and no formal training. The job was over his head so he decides to get out of the trade.

The company was just to cheap to hire real electricians to do the work so they were useing guys that were either helpers or apprentices to do the the work of qualified journeymen.

In this state a company can call a man with two years of experience a journeyman, there is no set limit ( most do not do this).

My point is this. If a guy with 3 years of experience is the guy in charge then just who is he to learn from? Many companies will not pay for experience so they don't have any 20 year men, only young kids.
 
growler I see this regularly...Seems to me that if you won the bid legitimatly bidding against other contractors, in the long run a properly paid expierenced foreman would SAVE money?

Iceman TY :)
 
quogueelectric said:
Perfect spot for the COW to jump in and take the heat off the pig. Hey you want a piece of me??
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Alright a pay for view match between the cow and the pig for grill space...sweat with a little red sauce we all be smiling...:grin:
 
What I see is we have some very successful business owners and we have some self employed Electricians and everyone is making a living do it..

I read that there are some who think our training system is failing by not producing smarter apprentices..I read of some companies who have people who make mistakes regularly and still employee them..

What I understand is that there is work for thous who want to work..if the boss is smart enough to keep work that the employee can handle he makes good money..The electrical field is a very broad spectrum of work..It does require specializing..The construction portion struggles vigorously to keep productive employees while the industrial sector struggles to keep qualified employees..

The real knowledge is knowing what you can and can not do..Yet we are all trying to please someone and take on more than we can do properly..I study the task at hand and perform my job to the best of my ability and if the task at hand lends the knowledge to another job great if not I can research it again when needed..But to know ones limits is good but to know ones abilities is better..To not try and just stay in your comfort zone does not make you wrong..to step out of your comfort zone does not make you right or wrong..But to challenge ones-self is to grow..Growing is never bad..
 
cschmid said:
Alright a pay for view match between the cow and the pig for grill space...sweat with a little red sauce we all be smiling...:grin:
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All we need now is some bird and some fish and we have a great cook out going..

We all need to smile life is really to short to be serious all the time..it is now time to go wet the line..I picked rock yesterday and now it is fishing time..maybe have walleye for dinner when wife gets home from mommies houses..My mom is in heaven with Jesus, Hope you all have a great mothers day..
 
I read that there are some who think our training system is failing by not producing smarter apprentices..
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I think part of this, is parents (ME INCLUDED) that want our children to attend college. In my community if you kid does not go to college (and usually a big name school) you are looked at with alarm.

Parent 1 "Oh what a shame, did you hear Bennie Dingleberry is not going to college"... parent 2"Yes heaven forbid he wants to be an electrician"...Parent 2"I feel sooooo bad for his parents, I knew when they let him ride his bike without a helmet he was destiined for bad things"

I read of some companies who have people who make mistakes regularly and still employee them..
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I way the pluses and minuses when the minuses out weigh the pluses we have a serious talk, 3 strikes and you are out.

The electrical field is a very broad spectrum of work..It does require specializing..
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I keep telling myself this and try to be on the specialized end.
 
brian john said:
growler I see this regularly...Seems to me that if you won the bid legitimatly bidding against other contractors, in the long run a properly paid experienced foreman would SAVE money?
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Sadly I do not see that as true, if you look at the production type ECs you will see cheap labor and speed are what makes money.

Not much difference then buying a car.

Sure a handcrafted Roll Royce is nice and many would want one but most only want to pay for a Kia.

The way construction is usually set up is the cheapest bid get the job, that being the case and the business owners wanting to make money and the fact that material costs what it costs the only place left to save money is the labor.

Don't get me wrong, I am certainly not saying this is a good thing just the reality of typical construction work excluding highly specified jobs like Govt work etc.

If you pay low wages and provide few bennifits you still end up ahead even after going back and fixing the glaring mistakes.
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