ElectroFlow

[jerryo3266]

The site raises my snake oil alarms as well, so I too am a skeptic...but they don't seem to be proposing anything strictly impossible.

-Jon

You're right. It certainly is not impossible. People often over simplify or over complicate it but it?s actually in between. It is a parallel installed, passive system that consists of tank circuits (cap banks if you choose) that are isolated from the circuit through the use of variable, non-saturable, phase shifting reactors as well as common protective devices such as fuses, breakers and contactors. It is modular and stages on and off as needed to address issues on an as needed basis. It is all controlled by an advanced micro-processor.

The reactors provide harmonics mitigation, phase balancing and voltage stability as well as sag and surge protection while the tank circuits provide the necessary capacitance to bring the PF up while protecting the system against the caps themselves. Lots of statements get made about the various newest bells and whistles that make "whatever new cap bank" better for the plant but the truth is that none of them are good for the plant and this has been known for some time. Caps simply have general deleterious side effects that are somewhat known in industry as well as others that are often discovered only after the cap banks are installed and begin to interact with the particular facility's characteristics. The cap bank acts differently depending on such characteristics. In some cases the cap bank can cause MANY problems that make it not worth improving the PF to begin with. Whether one is penalized or not, it is beneficial to improve low PF in terms of both energy efficiency AND power quality. The key is to do it without increasing susceptibility to destructive anomalies. That's what Electroflow does. The interesting part is that the equipment spec requirements to obtain this result also provides surge, sag, phase imbalance and voltage stability protection as well; all of which chip away at energy inefficiency while improving many various areas of plant operation and production efficiency.

 

[brian john]

At the risk of sounding cynical, is anyone here that is pushing this product that has any relation to the firm that manufactures the device. Two new members, one inquisitive about and the other so up on the product. Just curious.

 

[jerryo3266]

At the risk of sounding cynical, is anyone here that is pushing this product that has any relation to the firm that manufactures the device. Two new members, one inquisitive about and the other so up on the product. Just curious.

Nothing cynical about it. Its a fair question. Yes I am connected to EF. I came across these comments and felt the need to respond. I hope there is no problem with that. I read many quotes concerning Electroflow that are ill informed, cynical and frankly people who have no idea what they are talking about. If it is considered reasonable in this field today for an engineer to successfully dispute the validity of a product simply based on the fact that THEY think it can't be done, then my respect for electrical engineering will go way down. Thats what I am hearing a lot of. "Snake Oil", "Smoke & Mirrors", "does it mow the lawn too" etc. Not reasonable critiques or questions.

I understand that there have been many questionable products in this field. It is unfortunate and makes it harder for legitimate technology providers but they never last. They can't because a lie can only go so long unexposed. However, this product has been around for 25+ years and as we speak is being installed in airports, hotels, manufacturing plants, hospitals, skyscrapers etc. all over the world. Right now it is being installed in the Ohio International Airport and many other plants throughout the US. Don't you think it would be reasonable for some of these folks to ask some educated questions rather than pooh-pooh it based ONLY on thier skepticism.
What's your take??? After all, is someone suggesting that all of these engineers are stupid??? Because I think we would all agree (and I know for a fact) that before these engineers install these systems in all of these plants they examine and probe the technology around the world and back again for obvious reasons. First and foremost I think is probably so they don't lose thier jobs! Think about it. a plant operation manager will want a contract for your first born before he'll even let you open a transformer in order to measure and analyze. How much more diligence do you think he would have before letting someone slap a system on thier power??? If something goes wrong they're fired pure & simple.

Why you may ask then is it not bigger than sliced bread. Simply put, "controlled growth". The owner has purposefully stunted growth in order to grow it himself without selling out. However, you tell me how many products have never advertised in 25 years and yet are selling thier wares in over 100 countries. That's some word of mouth. Its because of so many success stories. A BD plant in Utah had a lightning strike on thier 46,000 volt loop and the system they had was totally destroyed but the plant was 100% intact. Needless to say,they never leave home without it. There are numerous stories like this but the bottom line and the point I am trying to make is ask. Ask anything you want but don't speak as an authority on something you don't know anything about. I'm not saying this to you but rather the many who have been doing just that. So here's thier chance to put up. What would you all like to know???