I had an inspector fail a residence I was working on do to his interpretation of the section on Elevator Lighting. He stated that even if the elevator panel itself has a circuit breaker built into it I still have to have a panel in the elevator room that the lighting circuit originates from. The circuit comes from the house panel and goes into the elevator panel through their circuit breaker and then to the lights.
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- Thread starter gigawatt
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What code section did he cite as the violation?
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dcspector
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Is the inspector looking at 620.53?
dcspector
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Edit to add from my previous post. Is there a machine Room and or Control Room? Reason. Looking at ASME 17.1 Elevator code.
LawnGuyLandSparky
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I have never known an elevator light (or fan) originate from anything BUT a house panel.
dcspector
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LawnGuyLandSparky said:
What I was getting at per 620.53 If one does not have a Machine or Control room the the lighting disconnect must be located in the same space as the Elevator disconnecting means per 620.51 He may have a Control room with the disconnect mentioned in 620.51 and the car lighting disconnecting means in a different location.
Elevatpr
Elevatpr
Thanks people,
He seems to be quoting 620.22 which states that the circuit protection has to be in the room. There is an elevator panel supplied by the elevator company that has both a 30 amp 2 pole and 20 amp single pole breaker built into it. I am feeding both with circuit from the house panel. He seems to think that I have to protect the branch circuit feeding the breaker for lighting with another breaker in the room. That would be three 20 amp breakers in the same circuit for protection. The way I read it the breaker in the elevator panel was put there for both a disconnect and circuit protection for the lighting circuit going to the car. In 37 years of doing this I have seen some weird interpretations but this one floors me. Let me know what you think.
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Elevatpr
Thanks people,
He seems to be quoting 620.22 which states that the circuit protection has to be in the room. There is an elevator panel supplied by the elevator company that has both a 30 amp 2 pole and 20 amp single pole breaker built into it. I am feeding both with circuit from the house panel. He seems to think that I have to protect the branch circuit feeding the breaker for lighting with another breaker in the room. That would be three 20 amp breakers in the same circuit for protection. The way I read it the breaker in the elevator panel was put there for both a disconnect and circuit protection for the lighting circuit going to the car. In 37 years of doing this I have seen some weird interpretations but this one floors me. Let me know what you think.
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joebell
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This is one of the sections that I think is too confusing.
620.22(A) states that you must have a seperate branch circuit for each car light etc. for each car and oh by the way you need to have the overcurrent device in the machine room. OK install a panel in the machine room.
Wait a minute 620.55 is requiring a disconnecting means for that car light circuit, no problem the breaker is in the machine room. WRONG it must capable of being locked in the open position. Now you need to install a disconnect or some other switch with provisions to lock the switch in the open position.
Here the Elevator inspectors will not allow breaker locks. I think some work could be done to this section to clear up some of the redundency JMO.
Joe
620.22(A) states that you must have a seperate branch circuit for each car light etc. for each car and oh by the way you need to have the overcurrent device in the machine room. OK install a panel in the machine room.
Wait a minute 620.55 is requiring a disconnecting means for that car light circuit, no problem the breaker is in the machine room. WRONG it must capable of being locked in the open position. Now you need to install a disconnect or some other switch with provisions to lock the switch in the open position.
Here the Elevator inspectors will not allow breaker locks. I think some work could be done to this section to clear up some of the redundency JMO.
Joe
Elevator Equipment
The breakers in a Square D panel, which is what the elevator panel installed by the elevator people is, is able to be locked out. That takes care of the disconnect part and it has overcurrnent protection which takes care of that part of the code, so why do I have to have another panel in the room?
The breakers in a Square D panel, which is what the elevator panel installed by the elevator people is, is able to be locked out. That takes care of the disconnect part and it has overcurrnent protection which takes care of that part of the code, so why do I have to have another panel in the room?
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