Elevator Pre-Signal/ATS Question

[MichaelEOhio]

Ok, if you scroll back to post #2 I sent Jason a pic of a control circuit I designed for a job I did on the same exact West ATS that you show in you links.
The circuit for the panel is shown in the drawing you sent. The PSDR (Pre Signal Delay Relay) is the Idec cube relay #RH2B-UL, 120VAC. I labeled it PSR. The PSDT (Pre Signal Delay Timer) is the Omron Timer#H3CR, 120VAC, set for 20 sec. I labeled it PST. On the terminal strip you connect 21, 24 and 18 as shown in your dwg. Terminals A, B & C are the relay contacts 4, 12 & 8 that provide the pre signal to the elevator controls. The way it works is when the signal is sent to transfer the ATS, both the relay and timer energize (pre signal sent to elev.) Then after the timer times out, the PSDT contact closes and the motor TM energizes, transferring the ATS.
If you feel more comfortable, your other option is to buy an off the shelf module made by Kohler for their ATS's but can be used on any brand (see attached files.) I think they are still available. Google Kohler part# 297124.
What sounds simple to me (51 yrs doing controls) may be confusing to others. You may have to engage an experienced electrician or controls guy to help you. Hope this helps.

View attachment 2555638View attachment 2555639 19014 Kohler elev presig dwg_294147.pdf

Thank you so much!! I really cant thank you enough! I will let you know how it works out but it sounds like with your previous success we should have no problems!

 

[ATSman]

You are welcome!
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[ATSman]

Question though- why does rapid transfer cause the electronics to burn up? Why not a delayed transition ATS? How to elevator manufacturers deal with POCO blinks?

The pre-signal option is not required with a delayed transition (3-position) ATS, only on a standard transition (2-position) ATS during a hot bus-hot bus" transfer. The reason is the neutral position allows the system inertia to decay and the cars to come to a stop before the alternate power source is connected. This prevents the source "out of phase condition" that can cause breakers to trip and damage to solid state controls.
See attached.

 

[dtoney]

I am running into a similar issue. The elevator doesn’t need a delay though.

is there a set of dry contacts that can be utilized without adding a relay for the elevator signal?

I can’t find a wiring diagram anywhere for this Westinghouse ats.

Cat#ATSBM30600XS
Style#65E9397

 

[ATSman]

I am running into a similar issue. The elevator doesn’t need a delay though.

is there a set of dry contacts that can be utilized without adding a relay for the elevator signal?

I can’t find a wiring diagram anywhere for this Westinghouse ats.

Cat#ATSBM30600XS
Style#65E9397

ok
first of all you need to get the spec requirements from the elev vendor
If you read my attached docs they require a dry contact to indicate ATS position and a presignal contact prior to transfer in either direction.
If your ATS is 2 position (no delay) and is solid state controls then it usually needs both signals to elev controller.
see attached files
looks like an older West ATS with 2 breakers, motor operator and card cage logic.