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Meter enclosures have drain holes in them so some minor water entry or condensation is usually not an issue. Bottom line you can only use RMC or IMC into the meter enclosure hub. I feel sorry for the other 90% of all installations where a different wiring method such as PVC, EMT or SE cable is used. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah and remember there are numerous other code sections that, IMO, make the rain tite thing not necessary. Raceways allowed to drain, weep holes, entries below live parts, etc. I dont remember them all off hand, I compiled a list in one of the anti raintight rant threads a while back.
And yet where do they put the factory bolt on hub opening on most equipment that has one? Dead center of the enclosure so that any moisture that does condense in the raceway will drip right onto whatever equipment is enclosed. Seen many main breakers in outdoor loadcenters that have water damages from water entering the incoming raceway and sometimes even makes it's way through/around the main and onto the bus and load breakers as well.
 
Meter enclosures have drain holes in them so some minor water entry or condensation is usually not an issue. Bottom line you can only use RMC or IMC into the meter enclosure hub. I feel sorry for the other 90% of all installations where a different wiring method such as PVC, EMT or SE cable is used. :rolleyes:
Water entry into a meter socket often doesn't get onto anything that will deteriorate too rapidly. Line side lugs - some risk of deterioration but not same amount of risks as a breaker panel with breakers right below the hub entry.

And 3R panelboard cabinet also has drain holes, but there is more inside to damage if water makes it's way onto those components before reaching the drain holes.
 
I think some are mixing up risers and masts. As I understand it the riser does not go thru the roof so it is okay to use pvc, emt rigid, se cable, etc. A mast goes thru the roof and must be at least 2" galvanized conduit-- that is a poco requirement, I believe.
 
I think some are mixing up risers and masts. As I understand it the riser does not go thru the roof so it is okay to use pvc, emt rigid, se cable, etc. A mast goes thru the roof and must be at least 2" galvanized conduit-- that is a poco requirement, I believe.
NEC only says it must have sufficient strength for the mechanical load imposed on it (or something that means about what I said). It doesn't specify any minimum raceway size or type. Many POCO's won't allow anything less than 2" RMC/IMC.
 
NEC only says it must have sufficient strength for the mechanical load imposed on it (or something that means about what I said). It doesn't specify any minimum raceway size or type. Many POCO's won't allow anything less than 2" RMC/IMC.
Isn't that what I said...
 
True the hubs are intended and listed for use with tapered threaded conduit, but a straight thread fitting will fit tight enough you likely have little leakage or even no leakage. My guess is improper drip loop in the conductors allowed water to follow conductors right into the weatherhead. Some cases even can have splicing method to the drop conductors allow moisture inside the conductor insulation and it follows conductor inside insulation right into meter socket or into your main breaker if there is no meter socket. This won't happen if the splicing connector is below the weatherhead but can if it is above the weatherhead.
With this situation, it was the compression connection leaking, not by the threads in the hub. I don't think they tightened it enough. I didn't have my jumbo channel locks on the truck, so I couldn't tell for sure. The water wasn't getting on any electrical parts, so I told them to get the installing contractor to come back and fix. Store had been open only two weeks.
 
Does noalox on threads seal out water? Or do you do that because that's what you've always done?
its consistency helps dam up voids within threads, aside from using it on aluminum to aluminum contacts I've used it on galvanized couplings to make a better connection, its a conductive graphite from what I've been told but it does have other useful purposes.
 
With this situation, it was the compression connection leaking, not by the threads in the hub. I don't think they tightened it enough. I didn't have my jumbo channel locks on the truck, so I couldn't tell for sure. The water wasn't getting on any electrical parts, so I told them to get the installing contractor to come back and fix. Store had been open only two weeks.
Sorry but I am convinced that in many cases you get more water inside because of condensation than if you used non water tight fittings. There is a reason you must use conductors with a "W" in the designation type inside outdoor raceways.

Might get an occasional fitting with somewhat poor fit to the raceway, but most have close enough fit they need direct spray on them to leak any significant amount of water.
 
Hillbilly1 said "I was talking to my continuing education instructor (he is on the NEC CMP) and said EMT connectors are not compatible with hubs, just as Infinity said, the threads are not tapered."

That got me thinking, is an offset nipple compatible with hubs? I see them used all the time, to get the pipe back to the building surface and not have to use uni-strut (or whatever it's called in your area, around here they call it Kindorff. ) But I don't think they have tapered threads. If I had to use them that way I would use a locknut, since the fitting has to be turned a certain way to complete the offset, but is not necessarily tight in that position.
 
Hillbilly1 said "I was talking to my continuing education instructor (he is on the NEC CMP) and said EMT connectors are not compatible with hubs, just as Infinity said, the threads are not tapered."

That got me thinking, is an offset nipple compatible with hubs? I see them used all the time, to get the pipe back to the building surface and not have to use uni-strut (or whatever it's called in your area, around here they call it Kindorff. ) But I don't think they have tapered threads. If I had to use them that way I would use a locknut, since the fitting has to be turned a certain way to complete the offset, but is not necessarily tight in that position.
In general about the only thing that is tapered is your cut threads on RMC/IMC. Most "fittings" will almost always be straight threads.
 
I'm surprised they don't make a hub with tapered threads by now.
Not so sure some aren't, especially some bolt on hubs. Even 20-25 years ago I remember trying to thread a EMT fitting into certain ones and they get tight before they are in very far, yet threaded RMC/IMC threads in much further. About had to be because tapered thread in the hub.
 
I dont think its a striaght threads mixing with
Oh maybe I have it backwards, meaning I'm surprised they don't make an EMT connector with tapered threads.

I dont think mixing tapered with non tapered threads has anything to do with why these hubs are only listed for IMC/RGS. I say this because there are numerous other combinations that are mixed and approved. Im going to say its just an oversight or some dumb technicality.
 
I don't think mixing tapered with non tapered threads has anything to do with why these hubs are only listed for IMC/RGS. I say this because there are numerous other combinations that are mixed and approved. I'm going to say its just an oversight or some dumb technicality.

"...these hubs are only listed for IMC/RGS."

So is an offset nipple into a hub compliant ?

Not if an offset nipple has straight threads. You can read about it here:
 
For things like hubs, threaded conduit bodies, metal FS boxes, etc. the design is for RMC and IMC only because that's how it's been tested. I only question why if we've been threading EMT connectors, terminal adapters and SE cable connectors into hubs for 50 years why is this now a problem?
 
For things like hubs, threaded conduit bodies, metal FS boxes, etc. the design is for RMC and IMC only because that's how it's been tested. I only question why if we've been threading EMT connectors, terminal adapters and SE cable connectors into hubs for 50 years why is this now a problem?
careful what you wish for, someone will have a solution that is looking for a problem to use here and come up with something that is a big of a joke as the raintight EMT fittings are.
 
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