Minuteman
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And?Pierre C Belarge said:
Explain this one.
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cschmid
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electricians BS there way through what??
ptonsparky
Tom
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mdshunk said:
How you come up with this information is mind blowing.
Even if you are not interested in the problems of stray voltage or current, this is a good read on how the courts deal with expert testimony. Don't skip any of it.
cschmid
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ptonsparky said:
you gotta also wonder where he finds the time to do electrical work as well..
ptonsparky
Tom
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BS'n here is one thing, most of us here know when to duck or wear boots. Offering it as testimony without substantiation would be humiliating.
I could see this idea being useful if it was built around a tree. . If the farmer sees that his cattle tend to head for the cover of a certain tree during storms, then this idea might help with lightning gradients and maybe keep the cows alive if the tree gets struck. . I would think more rings and more spokes would be needed for it to have a chance of working on lightning.
Or you could just teach the cows to keep all 4 legs together during the length of the storm just like my dog does when she's answering the call of nature. . I'm sure there a cow whisperer out there somewhere that could make a ballerina out of old Betsy.
David
Or you could just teach the cows to keep all 4 legs together during the length of the storm just like my dog does when she's answering the call of nature. . I'm sure there a cow whisperer out there somewhere that could make a ballerina out of old Betsy.
David
ItsHot
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sounds more lie inspectors!
sounds more lie inspectors!
sounds more lie inspectors!
Hey Pierre, this sounds more like an inspector to me!We actually have to do a "little" work to show we "do not" know what we are doing!!Pierre C Belarge said:
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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Not always right, but never in doubt!Pierre C Belarge said:
electricman2
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If that's true maybe we should all change jobs and sell insurance or used cars.Pierre C Belarge said:
jrclen
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mdshunk said:
The stray voltage issue makes farm wiring and service work very interesting. In my county alone there have been three multi million dollar lawsuits over stray voltage. One paid off 1.5 mil.
I got an emergency call out to a local dairy farm. A neighbor. A lightning strike had fried a disconnect and bulk milk tank motor. In the process of getting this farm up and running for milking time, I noticed no grounding electrode system on the barn service panel. Bonding was OK. Right outside the barn near the panel was the cow yard where the milk cows were watered and fed and put in some R&R.
I explained what was what to the farmer, and explained lightning strikes, gradiants, surges, ect. He said that service was hit twice before. I suggested ground rods but explained I was nervous about pounding them into the mud in the cow yard. Also, running a grounding electrode conductor across the flammable barn to the other side didn't exactly appeal to me either.
Mr. Farmer/customer called the POCO, and a few other farmers, and made the decision to place the ground rods in the mud yard, with the option to jerk them out if the cows seemed affected. The POCO put a new rod or two below the transformer on a pole about 100 feet away.
That was 3 or so years ago and so far no problems, and no further lightning strikes on the service equipment. I have no desire to be made a party to one of these suits or be responsible for the loss of income suffered by some hard working farmer.
I have never seen one of those circle do dads.
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Back in the 60's, I heard that a farmer with high tension lines running over his farm used a coil slightly above the ground to steal current from the lines; a huge air-core transformer.
The power company spotted the leakage current but went bonkers trying to find it.
The power company spotted the leakage current but went bonkers trying to find it.
glene77is
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K2500
Taking possession of something that is not yours is the problem.
Glene77is
Taking possession of something that is not yours is the problem.
Glene77is
Thank you, but I understand the definition of theft.
I'm picturing a big electro-magnetic field, running over this guys property. The poco owns the line and the power within. I'm seeing this magnetic field as a stray/ uncontrolable byproduct of the high tension lines, tap-able.
Now I'm driving along with some sensitive equipment in the back. For some reason this equipment is damaged by the field from the lines(possible?). Does the poco pony up the cash to replace or repair the equipment?
I don't advocate nor commit theft, I was trying to gain a better concept of it in this particular situation.
I'm picturing a big electro-magnetic field, running over this guys property. The poco owns the line and the power within. I'm seeing this magnetic field as a stray/ uncontrolable byproduct of the high tension lines, tap-able.
Now I'm driving along with some sensitive equipment in the back. For some reason this equipment is damaged by the field from the lines(possible?). Does the poco pony up the cash to replace or repair the equipment?
I don't advocate nor commit theft, I was trying to gain a better concept of it in this particular situation.
ramsy
NoFixNoPay Electric
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langjahr@comcast.net said:
There was a thread here a few months back where 5 amps was measured on a coax grounding sheild, and the POCO couldn't care less. I believe cable TV sheilds typically show 1-2 amps when run perpendicular to power lines before routed indoors.
Karl H
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You gotta give the guy that sold this credit.Can you imagine looking in a guys eyes and saying;"No really, we lay this wire on the ground in a circle and TA DA no more stray current!"I really wish I could have been on the whole snake oil thing. Now that would have been a good living. lol:grin:
wshoard
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Honestly,
All you HV guys really need to study up on IV theory!
As someone that has worked extensively in the IV field for over 20 years, I can say that the photo in the OP is of a, Motivational Oscillator, for an Anti Matter Inducer, on the Photon Generator, for the Motorola Polorotor Motor, on the Anti Matter Inducer, for the Flux Capacitor, on the Di-Lithium Crystal control circuit!
If this equipment is disturbed in any way then the DLC?s will discharge and the Utter Suckers will stop working and you will have some mightily angry Bovines!!!!!!!!!
:grin:
All you HV guys really need to study up on IV theory!
As someone that has worked extensively in the IV field for over 20 years, I can say that the photo in the OP is of a, Motivational Oscillator, for an Anti Matter Inducer, on the Photon Generator, for the Motorola Polorotor Motor, on the Anti Matter Inducer, for the Flux Capacitor, on the Di-Lithium Crystal control circuit!
If this equipment is disturbed in any way then the DLC?s will discharge and the Utter Suckers will stop working and you will have some mightily angry Bovines!!!!!!!!!
:grin:
jrclen
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yeah, what he said. :grin:
ptonsparky
Tom
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Karl H said:
The catch on this is, he has billed them for nothing, other than the original sine wave tracking filters. They may be getting a bill in the future but not as yet.
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