Exploding Wires

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gar

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I am moving some shelf units and these have some old notes and magazines. Randomly I look at some of this material.

My attention was caught by the cover of Scientific American for May 1962. "Exploding Wires" was on the front cover, and the article starts on p102. A Google search did not bring up this article, but did find other material by the author, Frederick D. Bennett. My search string was --- "exploding wires" bennett --- .

This may be of interest to some of you.

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chris kennedy

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May have been a problem in 62 but I have never seen any. Could you give us a brief description of what the article said Gordon?

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gar

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chris:

This was a research project to study what happens when a wire explodes. For 62 he had some amazing photos of the shock waves generated by the explosions. Small wires were used and a capacitor with several thousand volts supplied the energy in a very short time.

I tried a Google search for some of Bennett's shock wave photos. These did not show up in my quick search, but following are two references with some useful information:

http://tesladownunder.com/Pulse_Power.htm
http://etd.caltech.edu/etd/available/etd-08022006-104759/unrestricted/Turner_br_1960.pdf

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As an aside, the cylinder of one of my motocross bikes was formed by taking an aluminum cylinder body and then performing a process of "electrofusion" by which they "explode" wires of molybdenum and steel inside the bore, causing it to coat the aluminum, and then machining it smooth. So I guess sometimes an exploding wire is a good thing! :)
 
As an aside, the cylinder of one of my motocross bikes was formed by taking an aluminum cylinder body and then performing a process of "electrofusion" by which they "explode" wires of molybdenum and steel inside the bore, causing it to coat the aluminum, and then machining it smooth. So I guess sometimes an exploding wire is a good thing! :)

Well these are not exactly on target, but maybe interesting for people nothing better to do.

One of the army's technique to open a clear path in a minefield for a column of tanks is to shoot an exploding rope along the path. It's a coil of explosive material that flies out in a straigth line and explodes as it lands, detonating the field mines.

The second one, anecdotal, is exploding MV splices. It is said to happen when taping PILC cables. That is Paper Insulated Lead Covered. If there is moisture trapped during the long and ardourous process of taping it can turn into steam that in turn creates enough pressure to explode the splice or conehead. It could be an old splicer's tale though, heard it on the other side of the ocean first, but also heard it in the States.
 

gar

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chris:

The reason I started this in Continuing Education was because it did not relate to a problem, and it seemed to logically belong here. Unfortunately the easily found references on Google do not provide the stunning photos of the Scientific American article. It appears the research was at least partially supported by the US Army.

There are many modern developments that have resulted from US Military support. Much of my education was directly or indirectly supported by military contracts. Many of my teachers worked on these contracts and I did as well. One of my teachers, William G. Dow, was instrumental in getting contracts for work on upper air atmosphere studies just after WWII. During WWII Dow worked on military projects, such as the proximity fuse, and this provided him the connections for the contracts after the war. These contacts resulted in the establishment of the Willow Run Laboratories. Probably starting in the late 40s and continuing into the 50s side looking radar was developed at Willow Run.

This reference outlines Dow's life. He lived about 4 blocks from me and even when he was near 100 he walked by my home every few days. There is a substantial elevation difference between our homes, maybe in excess of 100 ft. So this was certainly something that kept him in shape. He talked about and clearly remembered fellow associates from 50 years ago.
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/dow/b-day_tribute.html

The following reference gives a very limited history on Willow Run Labs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Research_Institute_of_Michigan

When doing Google searches one runs across many interesting and unexpected results. This is one:
http://www.dexterresearch.com/content/company-history

Looking back at old magazines and books provides very interesting material. When I was young commercial television did not exist in our area. Probably only New York had limited broadcasting. In some old magazines I found articles on a mechanically scanned display. This used a motor driven disk, probably spun at 1800 RPM, that produced a 60 line picture. I believe a neon bulb was modulated to provide the light source behind the disk. This system was possibly circa 1928.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo_Farnsworth
for information on the first all electronic TV system.

It is quite interesting to go back and look at the history of electricity.

With my knowledge today I would like to go back when I was in 1st and 2nd grade and ask Francis Jehl how current and voltage were measured during the development of the light bulb. Jehl was the last person alive at that time that was present during Edison's development of the incandescent lamp. In visits to the Menlo Park Lab in Greenfield Village Jehl told us about various Edison inventions. Edison had a mirror galvanometer. At this time, 1879, the d'Arsonval meter did not exist. The Wheatstone bridge had existed from 1833 and Edison had resistor boxes. So accurate resistance measurements were possible. What was used for a voltage reference? Probably a cell or battery. How were 100 V measurements made. How was current measured? How was dynamo efficiency measured? Horsepower was measured with a weight on a scale and a belt and pulley system.

See these two references on the volt, circa 1879:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt

Voltage dividers from high voltage to near 1 V could have been used with the galvanometer in a difference measurement. To some extent high accuracy was not required. Maybe just a coil of wire and a compass could have been the detector. Put yourself in Edison's position in 1879 and without today's knowledge how would you run the experiments necessary to develop his electrical distribution system?

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SAC

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To continue on my theme about the volt the following reference provides some of the 1900 history:
http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps1514/nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/sp958-lide/315-318.pdf

How did the Clark Cell get its original definition of the volt? I have not found information on this.

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"In the 1880s, the International Electrical Congress, now the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC), approved the volt as the unit for electromotive force. At that time, the volt was defined as the potential difference [i.e., what is nowadays called the "voltage (difference)"] across a conductor when a current of one ampere dissipates one watt of power."
 

gar

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SAC:

I was trying to go back to circa 1800 to see how the volt was defined.

But also the question for the 1880 period is how was the ampere defined? The ohm was defined from a material of a physical dimension at that time.

A snippet on the ohm circa 1843, 1861:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4024760

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quogueelectric

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chris:

The reason I started this in Continuing Education was because it did not relate to a problem, and it seemed to logically belong here. Unfortunately the easily found references on Google do not provide the stunning photos of the Scientific American article. It appears the research was at least partially supported by the US Army.

There are many modern developments that have resulted from US Military support. Much of my education was directly or indirectly supported by military contracts. Many of my teachers worked on these contracts and I did as well. One of my teachers, William G. Dow, was instrumental in getting contracts for work on upper air atmosphere studies just after WWII. During WWII Dow worked on military projects, such as the proximity fuse, and this provided him the connections for the contracts after the war. These contacts resulted in the establishment of the Willow Run Laboratories. Probably starting in the late 40s and continuing into the 50s side looking radar was developed at Willow Run.

This reference outlines Dow's life. He lived about 4 blocks from me and even when he was near 100 he walked by my home every few days. There is a substantial elevation difference between our homes, maybe in excess of 100 ft. So this was certainly something that kept him in shape. He talked about and clearly remembered fellow associates from 50 years ago.
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/dow/b-day_tribute.html

The following reference gives a very limited history on Willow Run Labs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Research_Institute_of_Michigan

When doing Google searches one runs across many interesting and unexpected results. This is one:
http://www.dexterresearch.com/content/company-history

Looking back at old magazines and books provides very interesting material. When I was young commercial television did not exist in our area. Probably only New York had limited broadcasting. In some old magazines I found articles on a mechanically scanned display. This used a motor driven disk, probably spun at 1800 RPM, that produced a 60 line picture. I believe a neon bulb was modulated to provide the light source behind the disk. This system was possibly circa 1928.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo_Farnsworth
for information on the first all electronic TV system.

It is quite interesting to go back and look at the history of electricity.

With my knowledge today I would like to go back when I was in 1st and 2nd grade and ask Francis Jehl how current and voltage were measured during the development of the light bulb. Jehl was the last person alive at that time that was present during Edison's development of the incandescent lamp. In visits to the Menlo Park Lab in Greenfield Village Jehl told us about various Edison inventions. Edison had a mirror galvanometer. At this time, 1879, the d'Arsonval meter did not exist. The Wheatstone bridge had existed from 1833 and Edison had resistor boxes. So accurate resistance measurements were possible. What was used for a voltage reference? Probably a cell or battery. How were 100 V measurements made. How was current measured? How was dynamo efficiency measured? Horsepower was measured with a weight on a scale and a belt and pulley system.

See these two references on the volt, circa 1879:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt

Voltage dividers from high voltage to near 1 V could have been used with the galvanometer in a difference measurement. To some extent high accuracy was not required. Maybe just a coil of wire and a compass could have been the detector. Put yourself in Edison's position in 1879 and without today's knowledge how would you run the experiments necessary to develop his electrical distribution system?

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After learning what Edison did to Tesla how could you ever idolize a lying cheating snake like that. I am totally disapointed.
 

SAC

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SAC:

I was trying to go back to circa 1800 to see how the volt was defined.

But also the question for the 1880 period is how was the ampere defined? The ohm was defined from a material of a physical dimension at that time.

A snippet on the ohm circa 1843, 1861:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4024760

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Yes, just because it was adopted as the unit "volt" at that particular time doesn't mean that the value hadn't previously been defined.
 

gar

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quo:

Both men were great contributors and initiators of what is now the electrical and communication industry. It is too bad they did not get along.

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gar

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SAC:

Your reference is very good and collects together various items of information that I found in scattered locations.

At the moment my search of volt and the measurement of voltage seems to start about 1880.

http://www.sizes.com/units/volt.htm

From this site:
http://www.google.com/search?q=hist...Dw&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11
the implication may be that the unit VOLT did not exist before 1881. If this is the case, then what was the unit of measurrement for voltage before this time. What name was used and how large was this unit in comparison to the present volt.

Quoting this site:
1881 1881 - In 1881 an important electrical unit, the volt, was named in his honor. ---

Further probing brings up:
http://books.google.com/books?id=UR...ive+force+1883+american+philosophical+society
Page 649. Apparently electrostatic voltmeters, Sir William Thomson, were being used before 1883 to compare Daniell cells and telegraph line voltages.

I have not found the voltage units in use before 1881. The Daniell cell seems to have been around 1 volt. So maybe the unit was referenced to unity for one of these cells.

This site:
http://books.google.com/books?id=fj...uDwDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=21
page 373 is referencing a Thomson meter of 1887.

Enough searching for the moment.

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gar

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Google Books is providing larger snippets now.

From "Menlo Park Reminiscences"
http://books.google.com/books?id=52...q=menlo+park+reminiscences+dynamo+is+finished
This takes you to the first page of the chapter XL and relates to Scientific American of July 26, 1879. Page 306 is excluded from the snippet, but continues on 307. There is important information on p 306. The galvanometer and Daniell cells are referenced for measuring current.

I have tried various tricks to get at p 306. From 306:
'In order to measure the power required to drive the generator, Mr. Edison has tried every dynamometer within reach and condemned them all. At last, after considerable experiment, he hit upon a simple contrivance. He claims that with this apparatus he can measure the one hundredths part of a horsepower'
Next paragraph:
'A weighted box rests on a platform scale, and is provided with a pulley for receiving the driving belt, which passes over the driving pulley, under a tightener, and over a driven pulley. The number of foot pounds of power used will be indicated by the lifting of the box and the consequent lightening of the load on the scale. Five percent is deducted for the angle of the belt and for friction.'
Note foot pounds is not power but it is related.
The responsibility for this end of the work fell upon Upton, under Edison's direction. Trials were made with the field magnet coils wound in shunt fashion, in series, and in a compound way, that is, shunt and series coils together.
I assisted Upton in the last-named trials and recall how the armature current that passes through the series coils was dissipated in a variable copper resistance made for the purpose hurriedly, since we had as yet no incandescent lamps to perform that function.
It was part of Upton's work to observe the tension of the dynamo. We set up the Thomson reflecting galvanometer in a corner of the machine shop and standardized it roughly with a few common Daniell cells.
Measuring the current was a difficult task with engine, dynamo and shop machinery all running at the same time. Upton used the dampening effect of the magnet of the galvanometer to get his readings.
While the shunt magnet coils were in action and the dynamo was loaded, Upton added or removed series coils in time proving that a constant potential with a varying load could be maintained when the series coils were properly apportioned. ---
Now on page 307.

Page 307 is accessible. A picture of the dynamometer is shown. Note: the discussion of experiments with different core materials and the effect on efficiency and thus wasted energy in the dynamo. Also discussion of Foncault currents, now called eddy currents, on page 308.

Interesting comment at end of page 309 and start of p 310 on means to measure current, and they never thought to use a shunt and measure the voltage.

Other useful information follows in subsequent pages.

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After learning what Edison did to Tesla how could you ever idolize a lying cheating snake like that. I am totally disapointed.

Edison was just following a widespread practice, where businessman would continually plough the scientific community, searching for viable practical discoveries and then offer a pittance for the details or just plain steal it. Some scientists themselves would do the same. There is a long list of unsung heroes in the scientific communities and a long list of cheats.

Tesla is just one of them.

As there is a statue in many places for the unknown soldier, there should be many for scientists.
 

SG-1

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Exploding Wires

Fuses are filled with sand to displace the air inside. When the element vaporizes, it superheats and will melt the sand into a dark fragile glass tube. If the fuse has no sand the air inside superheats, it either escapes through a designed vent or the case explodes.

I built my own HV fuses for a 5KV electric fence charger. Thunderstorms were ejecting the stepup transformers into the barn, not good. I knew HV fuses were filled with sand, but did not know why. I used shotblast for my first fuses. The 24 inch long tube was constructed of 2 inch PVC with aluminum foil tape at the ends. A cap was pushed over the ends and made a nice tight seal.

I unraveled some #6 wire with 900+ strands for the element. All was well until I got lazy with the sand. There is still a nice ring in the tin roof where the end blew off and tried to punch through !! Sooo, that is what the sand is for.

As an added note: pop corn has a tiny amount of moisture in the center. When heated it turns the cornel insideout. I can see a bus joint blowing out during a fault, if a void was left during the taping.
 
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