Failed final for not having panel schedule

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I always love opening a panel and finding those generic labels - General Lighting, or Recepts., or Kitchen GFI (three different breakers), or Washer (two different breakers). The worst is the two or three marked 'Spare' and they actually are for something.

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Jim W said:
Put anything down, who will really check.
Would you trust a panel schedule anyways ?
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Excellent point...now I wouldn't trust a panel schedule ~ but Harry Homeowner might and that could get nasty quick for the EC.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Anyone here willing to risk there life on what the schedule says ? Put anything down, who will really check.Would you trust a panel schedule anyways ?
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NEVER but if properly done, it can minimize shutting off every CB to find one circuit, like maybe 10 CB's in lieu of all 40.
 
brian john said:
NEVER but if properly done, it can minimize shutting off every CB to find one circuit, like maybe 10 CB's in lieu of all 40.
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I always manage to kill a circuit by shutting off one breaker.

You guys may call it the "Main". :grin:
 
480sparky said:
I always manage to kill a circuit by shutting off one breaker.

You guys may call it the "Main". :grin:
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In a data center we call that looking for a new customer. Because the one you were working for is sending out his resume to his next employer.
 
Our shop hired a young guy from another western state, one that unlike Oregon, doesn't require a license, and while he has turned out to be a pretty darned good resi wireman, he has some interesting self-taught habits.

He rings out circuits from the receptacle end with a little device he made himself. It is a sp switch in a plastic box wired to connect hot to neutral, and a cordcap on the other end. He plugs it in, turns it on, and whatever breaker trips is the circuit in question. Coarse but effective.

Bemused Oregonians call this the "Utah Method".
 
JHMaynard said:
Our shop hired a young guy from another western state, one that unlike Oregon, doesn't require a license, and while he has turned out to be a pretty darned good resi wireman, he has some interesting self-taught habits.

He rings out circuits from the receptacle end with a little device he made himself. It is a sp switch in a plastic box wired to connect hot to neutral, and a cordcap on the other end. He plugs it in, turns it on, and whatever breaker trips is the circuit in question. Coarse but effective.

Bemused Oregonians call this the "Utah Method".
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Kinda hard on the breakers, and asking for an arc flash burn or eye injury when his device fails
 
TOOL_5150 said:
. . . . Any of you guys had any good experience with the smaller ideal tracer? I think they go for 40 or 50 bucks at big orange.
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I had one and returned it. It was very unreliable. Maybe I got a bad one?
 
JHMaynard said:
He rings out circuits from the receptacle end with a little device he made himself. It is a sp switch in a plastic box wired to connect hot to neutral, and a cordcap on the other end. He plugs it in, turns it on, and whatever breaker trips is the circuit in question. Coarse but effective.

Bemused Oregonians call this the "Utah Method".
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I was going to suggest a method similar to this...that involved a screwdriver and a pair of pliers...:rolleyes: :D
Turn on all the lights in the house, open one breaker (not the main!) and have someone go from room to room until they find a light or receptacle that doesn't work, while they talk on a cell phone, and you take notes, might work. You could use one of those fancy plug in light "receptacle tester" units!
 
480sparky said:
Now it's a matter of how detailed you need to get in finding the unmarked circuits. Some inspectors want nothing more than "Bedroom Receptacles", while others want "North and east wall of North Bedroom, South, west and east wall of South Bedroom Receptacles". Sure, that's a lot to cram into that little 3x?" space, that's why I make my own panel schedules on the computer and print them to labels.
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I don't like either of your options
"Bedroom Receptacles"
violates 408.4 because it doesn't "include sufficient detail to allow each circuit to be distinguished from all others" [unless it's a one bedroom apartment].

"North and east wall of North Bedroom, South, west and east wall of South Bedroom Receptacles"
is just getting carried away
How about just "N + S bedrooms" ? . If there's an odd ball plug or light in there too, I don't see the need to list that also.

'08NEC also requires that "No circuit shall be described in a manner that depends on transient conditions of occupancy." . So "blue bedroom" or "Tim's bedroom" is no good.
 
dnem said:
How about just "N + S bedrooms" ? . If there's an odd ball plug or light in there too, I don't see the need to list that also.
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I think that would work. It may come down to the inspector, and how...detail oriented they are. You may have to include a schedule for all the abbreviations you use. ;) :D
Dennis Alwon said:
Even if I promise to never paint the room? :grin:
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You can promise all you want, it's the next occupant they're worried about! It's not like you can force HO's to get a permit and inspection for occupancy...:rolleyes: :D
 
DanZ said:
You can promise all you want, it's the next occupant they're worried about! It's not like you can force HO's to get a permit and inspection for occupancy...:rolleyes: :D
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I was joking. Besides I can sell it with a clause that the color will never change. :D
 
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