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jmorrow said:
does anyone have any info as the whether this actually will change for the 2008 code? and if so the reasoning behind it??
The NEC prefers to have an EGC doing the fault clearing in the event of a ground fault, this is the fruition of that goal.

Tell Ray and Ronald to have a look at the FAQ on this topic while they are blowing the dust off their codebooks. :)

wireless36 said:
I recently had a similar argument with an inspector. He wanted the ground rod to be the only ground. He told me to disconnect the ground wire from the main to the sub, and not to bond the ground to neutral because that would allow for parallel currents through the ground rod and the neutral. From what I know the installation as it is now is not protected from faults. It is worse off then before inspection! Am I wrong?
You've got a mixture there. You were wrong for originally bonding the neutral to the EGC of the feeder to the detached structure, but that could have been resolved by removing the bond. Your inspector was incorrect for saying a ground rod can be the only ground, 250.50 requires all grounding electrodes at the structure to be used. He was also incorrect for having you remove the EGC, that makes no sense whatsoever, IMO.
 
iwire said:
Where did you find that info?
To be more accurate, I guess I should have said the Code Making Panels would prefer to move away from an installation that uses the neutral as a fault-clearing path as opposed to an EGC.

Here's the panel statement from the 2007 ROP, in regards to proposal 5-119:

The panel does not accept the concept of deleting Section 250.32(B)(2) from the NEC. There are instances where this method of grounding for a separate building or structure is warranted and can be accomplished by compliance with the current provisions of the Code. The panel does accept the concept of continuation of migrating away from the use of the grounded circuit conductor for grounding as emphasized clearly by the submitter. By changing provisions in 250.32(B)(2) to an exception to a base rule in 250.32(B)(1), the code can continue to include requirements that would be applicable to existing buildings or structures grounded in this manner, and at the same time strengthen the requirement in 250.32(B)(1) as the main rule with having to qualify to use the method provided in the exception [former 250.32(B)(2)] which is more restrictive. This change as suggested by the submitter would help reduce the number of designs that purposely invite the possibilities of inappropriate neutral-to-ground connections that can and often do happen at a later date, which is uncontrollable by any code rule. Revise the proposed changes to retain the text of 250.32(B)(2), but incorporate those provisions into an exception to Section 250.32(B)(1). The change is consistent with they way the Code currently addresses the grounding of frames of existing dryers and ranges as provided in Sections 250.140 Exception, and 250.142, which is by exception. This action promotes code text that is consistent with Section 3.1.1 of the NEC Style Manual by removing a mandatory section that conflicts with another mandatory section.

Number Eligible to Vote: 15
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 14 Negative: 1

Explanation of Negative: TOOMER, R.: Deletion of this provision in the code, which has been successfully used for many years, is not warranted by the submitter?s substantiations. No specific safety incidents or evidence has been provided to warrant this major change.
 
georgestolz said:
To be more accurate, I guess I should have said the Code Making Panels would prefer to move away from an installation that uses the neutral as a fault-clearing path as opposed to an EGC.

. The panel does accept the concept of continuation of migrating away from the use of the grounded circuit conductor for grounding

That is an interesting statement for them to say.

Can I conclude that all of 250.142 will also be removed?
 
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