Fire Alarm Equipment Installations

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goldstar

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Re: Fire Alarm Equipment Installations

One thing to remember about fire alarm wiring is that it is a monitored circuit. If someone would open the box and disconnect the wires, it would send a trouble signal to the panel. The panel can not be reset without solving the trouble signal first.
Dave,

I don't want to let too much leak out here or give anyone ideas on how to defeat alarm systems. I spent 25 years in this area and in my prime I would have bet that I could have broken into many banks and/or compromised many alarm systems (any type). My problem is that I'm too honest and most of all I wouldn't want to suffer the consequences on the outside chance that I might get caught.

Anyway, getting back to the topic, as long as the circuit connections are made inside that handy box, removing the cover exposes those terminations. For a run-of-the-mill, unauthorized saboteur these terminations are meaningless. For someone like myself, bypassing them would be like the "hi-tech" guy on Mission Impossible.

As I stated, the proper way to make these terminations is under a secure cover inside a protected housing. That way removing the cover or entering the housing would cause the trouble condition you described. The valve shown in Joe's photo is a very small valve and is typically found in multi-level buildings and in stairwell sprinkler risers where "per floor" detection and fire alarm display are required. At the sprinkler main there are usually larger OS&Y gate valves where a better type of tamper switch can be used. The Potter OSYS-U switch comes to mind. If properly wired and mounted, this switch cannot be compromised.

Regards,

Phil

[ September 29, 2003, 06:14 AM: Message edited by: goldstar ]
 

sptiner

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Re: Fire Alarm Equipment Installations

Originally posted by websparky:
Hi Guys,

I'm wondering why the AHJ's are not allowing a chain or other device to prevent the closure of these valves. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks!
NFPA 13 (Standard for the installation of Sprinkler Systems) allows the valve to be either locked or electrically supervised.
However NFPA 72 (Fire Alarm Code) section
3-8.3.3.1.2 requires electrical supervision even if the valve is locked. So, basically if there is a fire alarm panel in the building it has to be tied into the switch. At least that's my interpretation. The local AHJ may see it different.
 
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Originally posted by goldstar:
The Potter OSYS-U switch comes to mind. If properly wired and mounted, this switch cannot be compromised. Regards, Phil
[...awwt flashing back to episode 03-41 M.I. where the hi-tech guy encountered a Potter OSYS-U. He got out his battery powered star drill and punched a hole in the mounting matrix. Then he whipped out his can of Freon with the needle nozzle; fired up his Fluke & his Zippo; a few alligator clips...]

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websparky

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Re: Fire Alarm Equipment Installations

Phil,

Thanks for the explanation.
I agree that fire alarm systems can be defeated by the knowledgeable and are certainly not rocket science! This is the first I have heard that there was FD's that made these types of off-the-wall mandates.

Maybe because of my past experiences with the State mandates here in my limited area of Ohio, I have not run across any of the FD's or AHJ's that have required anything out of the "ordinary".
It is interesting how the input from different areas of the country, like what Bob explained above, gives all of us a better understanding of the way codes are preceived and enforced.
One thing for sure, forums like this and others like it will have a possitive effect on code revisions and understanding for years to come.
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goldstar

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Re: Fire Alarm Equipment Installations

[...awwt flashing back to episode 03-41 M.I. where the hi-tech guy encountered a Potter OSYS-U. He got out his battery powered star drill and punched a hole in the mounting matrix. Then he whipped out his can of Freon with the needle nozzle; fired up his Fluke & his Zippo; a few alligator clips...]
Wayne,

That's like the MI episode where the "hi-tech" guy gets a circle glass cutter and cuts a perfect round hole in the glass from the outside without shattering the rest of the plate glass. If someone has to drill a hole in the side of an OSYS-U gate valve switch in order to defeat the alarm system they're neophytes.

Phil
 

scott thompson

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Re: Fire Alarm Equipment Installations

On the Tamper / Flow switches I have done lately, set a 4S box + chase nipple at the switch body, then supported it via unistrut Assemblage (which sometimes looked good! :D
Should have got a picture of that one!

Just goes to show you, even a PIV can be funny!

Scott35
 
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