Fire alarm inspection estimating

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Hey Guys, Hope all is well. I have a fire alarm job that got referred to me and I have to do the inspection of the building before I can start working. There’s multiple buildings involved but I have to give a price on the first one. I’ve never done any fire alarm inspections so I don’t know how I should go about the estimating the job. The building is 4 floors, with 44 units. Should I charge per device, per hour??

Thanks for the help!
 

sameguy

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Kind of hard with no information just what your job is.

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Smart system talking,
 

gadfly56

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When you say "fire alarm inspection" are we talking about a low voltage system with attached smoke detectors, or smoke alarms within the 44 residential units, or a combination?
 

peter d

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In my state we are only required to test 1/4 of the total number of devices in the system during the annual testing. Not that this helps you, but do you have some local code in that regard?
 

peter d

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No. But if you were going to test 1/4 of the number of devices how would you go about calculating it?

It depends on the access to the devices. Usually when we do the testing we choose the most easy to access devices (hallways, pull stations near doors, heat detectors in utility rooms, etc). :p But if you have to test them all and have to access tenant spaces, then you need to factor in all that time.
 

AKElectrician

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Hey Guys, Hope all is well. I have a fire alarm job that got referred to me and I have to do the inspection of the building before I can start working. There’s multiple buildings involved but I have to give a price on the first one. I’ve never done any fire alarm inspections so I don’t know how I should go about the estimating the job. The building is 4 floors, with 44 units. Should I charge per device, per hour??

Thanks for the help!

Per day, 3 days. I get the building manager as my helper, for all three days, cut him loose the third day if you finish up the second. 2 days work 1 day typing up a nice detailed report in spreadsheet form giving all the needed information set up per room, keeping all $$ signs off this set of paperwork. Print yourself a copy and mark the dickens out of it with $$. Take lots of pictures for yourself, while doing this take a picture of the room number before you go in and take pictures of that rooms devices that are in bad shape, not to mention messy places that will take more time when it comes to change out time. While walking by the e-lights check them for free and add them to the list at the end for their information, takes 3 seconds and can pick up more work with these little items like this that get buildings fines. Your there might as well do it.

Just how I would approach it though.
 

gadfly56

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Professional Engineer, Fire & Life Safety
Per day, 3 days. I get the building manager as my helper, for all three days, cut him loose the third day if you finish up the second. 2 days work 1 day typing up a nice detailed report in spreadsheet form giving all the needed information set up per room, keeping all $$ signs off this set of paperwork. Print yourself a copy and mark the dickens out of it with $$. Take lots of pictures for yourself, while doing this take a picture of the room number before you go in and take pictures of that rooms devices that are in bad shape, not to mention messy places that will take more time when it comes to change out time. While walking by the e-lights check them for free and add them to the list at the end for their information, takes 3 seconds and can pick up more work with these little items like this that get buildings fines. Your there might as well do it.

Just how I would approach it though.

It's so cute that you think this will actually work. :rotflmao: I don't disagree with your methodology, but we've had to do this at my last job, and it's generally a nightmare. Absolutely count on it taking 3x whatever you might think is reasonable. And it will never be executed in an uninterrupted block of time. The man-hours may be the same, but the duration of the task could be all over the place. There will be units where the occupant wants to be there and hey, they work during the day. There will be units you can't get into, three, four, and five times. You absolutely MUST NOT enter any premises without the CONSTANT attendance of a building rep. If they open a unit and say "I've got to just pop out for 20 minutes to take care of something" tell them "Good, we'll wait right here outside the unit until you return." And then there are the days you show up and management says they don't have anybody that day to go around with you. Now what do you do with the tech(s)?

Very carefully set up the terms of the inspection.
"Predicated on completion of not fewer than "X" inspections per day."
"Owner responsible for notifying tenants"
"Owner responsible for providing escort at all times"
"If escort is not available, full day's cost will be charged without 3 business day's notice"
There's a whole bunch more, I'm sure. Just think of every way it could go pear-shaped and add an exception or clarification to your quote.
 

AKElectrician

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It's so cute that you think this will actually work. :rotflmao: I don't disagree with your methodology, but we've had to do this at my last job, and it's generally a nightmare. Absolutely count on it taking 3x whatever you might think is reasonable. And it will never be executed in an uninterrupted block of time. The man-hours may be the same, but the duration of the task could be all over the place. There will be units where the occupant wants to be there and hey, they work during the day. There will be units you can't get into, three, four, and five times. You absolutely MUST NOT enter any premises without the CONSTANT attendance of a building rep. If they open a unit and say "I've got to just pop out for 20 minutes to take care of something" tell them "Good, we'll wait right here outside the unit until you return." And then there are the days you show up and management says they don't have anybody that day to go around with you. Now what do you do with the tech(s)?

Very carefully set up the terms of the inspection.
"Predicated on completion of not fewer than "X" inspections per day."
"Owner responsible for notifying tenants"
"Owner responsible for providing escort at all times"
"If escort is not available, full day's cost will be charged without 3 business day's notice"
There's a whole bunch more, I'm sure. Just think of every way it could go pear-shaped and add an exception or clarification to your quote.

Guess I thought that this was a hotel not a apartment complex. Still have yet to see what it is other than a 4 floor 44 room building...
 
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